I'm leaning towards #6019, I like the perks that go with it, and also #6001 since its unusual (did they make a gray version).
From what I can find #6019 & 6023 were in service until March 1956.
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The LionMaster one that negotiates O-31 curves and switches. Anything bigger and I’m not interested...
Jon 
My $250 brass Williams loco. It's big and runs great....not as detailed as the new Lionel unit......but the cost difference.....it will do.
Jushavnfun posted:I'm leaning towards #6019, I like the perks that go with it, and also #6001 since its unusual (did they make a gray version).
If you mean the New York Central, then no, there never were any "gray" Niagara" locomotives.
From what I can find #6019 & 6023 were in service until March 1956.
I don't need another one, as I already have an MTH Premier model, and a Sunset/3rd Rail model.
I wish I could swing one but that's a little out of my league.
Maybe it's just me but five smoke units. With my luck lately...
I'm not.....LOL
NOTA. (None of the above.) The Selkirk front end is caboose ugly. And I wonder what that vapor coming from the tender will do to the track. Will it incease oil film on the track.
I have 2 CCII Niagara's, completely rebuilt from the ground up and they have the dual head lamps, so its probably going to be the 6005.
I am thinking a box of Niagara Corn Starch is more in line with my budget. Great looking engine though.
Art
I can't make up my mind, either the 6005 or the 6023. Single headlight or dual headlight. I can't afford both. In fact I am really pushing the budget to get one, but I am.
As far as the 6019 goes, I am already a member of LCCA and unless they come way down in price I will order mine from Charles Ro. His early buy price is $300.00 less than what LCCA wants.
rb2hogger posted:As far as the 6019 goes, I am already a member of LCCA and unless they come way down in price I will order mine from Charles Ro. His early buy price is $300.00 less than what LCCA wants.
LCCA price is $1709. Ro is 300 under that??
I am passing on this one. 3 3rd Rail, 2 MTH, and 1 Lionel already plus I am not much into smoke. More stuff to break.
K.I.S.S.
Pete
Running the current numbers, it appears a member would pay an addition 55 dollars to support the club
LCCA member
Chris Cook
I have the 6013 pre ordered from MR MUFFINS at a better price then RO. Just hope it's not unlucky number?
I ordered the grey Niagara and the 6-84960 black one with the single headlight. In the past two weeks I have had two CC2 Niagara locomotives on my bench. Both needed the cherry switch. That job is the worst headache to do. The locomotive has to be dismantled big time to get at the $1.50 cherry switch. Although the CC2 is beautiful, it ends there. The new Niagara will be the best locomotive ever built by anyone at any time. I have gone over the locomotive with Ryan and Dave and we are in for a huge treat. I have had a few chances to buy a CC2 Niagara and I feel the bottom on those will go out very soon. A few things that come to my mind that kill it (CC2) are nasty coal load, gearing, CHERRY SWITCH, 2 chuffs, and TMCC. We are in a new world with modern Legacy and we have two great guys involved with the project. Ryan Kunkle and Dave Olsen will make sure this will be the best ever. I have total confidence in both men.
I spent considerable time checking this out at York. Having been in the hobby for a few weeks it takes something special to excite me in the area of new locomotives. The new Lionel Niagara did it big time.
Marty Fitzhenry posted:I ordered the grey Niagara and the 6-84960 black one with the single headlight. In the past two weeks I have had two CC2 Niagara locomotives on my bench. Both needed the cherry switch. That job is the worst headache to do. The locomotive has to be dismantled big time to get at the $1.50 cherry switch. Although the CC2 is beautiful, it ends there. The new Niagara will be the best locomotive ever built by anyone at any time. I have gone over the locomotive with Ryan and Dave and we are in for a huge treat. I have had a few chances to buy a CC2 Niagara and I feel the bottom on those will go out very soon. A few things that come to my mind that kill it (CC2) are nasty coal load, gearing, CHERRY SWITCH, 2 chuffs, and TMCC. We are in a new world with modern Legacy and we have two great guys involved with the project. Ryan Kunkle and Dave Olsen will make sure this will be the best ever. I have total confidence in both men.
I spent considerable time checking this out at York. Having been in the hobby for a few weeks it takes something special to excite me in the area of new locomotives. The new Lionel Niagara did it big time.
I've been very interested in a Niagara for some time, and have been considering getting one of the CC2 ones and performing some work on it.
That said, can you (or anyone) comment on what specific detail enhancements the new Vision line will offer over the CC2 version?
I need to pull up some pictures of both and compare with a set of prints, but any guidance here in what to look for would be much appreciated.
I like the grey "fantasy" scheme - it is a NICE "might have/should have been" version!
Daniel, with all due respect you can get that information from the Lionel site. It would take a lot of time and posting to list why this new Niagara blows the old one out of the ball park. FYI, I have been seeing several cherry switch failures as these engines are getting old. The switch is $1.50 and you need pockets a bit deeper to pay for labor on that job. At this point the CC2 is still not cheap. You will be happy with the new one. The CC2 is a looker if you can get by the nasty coal load. I am not a fan of the 2 chuffs per rev. Be ready to spend a few bucks when the gear box starts getting nasty. The fix for that is to send the engine to Alex M.
These new versions of the Niagara will be the equivalent of the Vision Line 700E Hudson and then SOME!
Norton :LCCA price is $1709. Ro is 300 under that??
Pete
It's $120 less than that but you gotta "add to cart" then "proceed to checkout" (or call) to see it.
After thinking long and hard I decided to pass on it. I'll likely regret it, but my o-60 radius with some close clearances gave me concern.
Besides, I can get 3 H10s for that kinda money.
Very tempted, especially after the little lad was showing me all about it in the catalog. Mentioned asking Santa....🙄
Oh dear that price! I hate to say it but that is a serious amount of coin.
Realistically I think I’ll be looking at an MTH version. And putting in the overtime.
Nick
Nope... selling all my NYC stuff and modeling western roads! Looks great though, and I really like all the bells and whistles.
Hot Water posted:Jushavnfun posted:I'm leaning towards #6019, I like the perks that go with it, and also #6001 since its unusual (did they make a gray version).
If you mean the New York Central, then no, there never were any "gray" Niagara" locomotives.
From what I can find #6019 & 6023 were in service until March 1956.
I don't need another one, as I already have an MTH Premier model, and a Sunset/3rd Rail model.
"Need"? Since when did that have anything to do with it?
Gray one: there have been a few non-streamlined model NYC steamers done in gray because it looks "so NYC" (not), but the only gray actual NYC steamers were streamlined 4-6-2's and 4-6-4's.
The Lionel Pre-War gray Hudson may influence this mindset (so much that they repeated it with the Vision 700E), I guess.
I'm getting mine in the Dead Accurate Pilot colors.
My wife and I are thinking of seeing the Falls this year.
The MTH version is an excellent locomotive.
The 6005 for me
Soooo.... For the uninitiated, uninformed might you NYC mavens enlighten the rest of us as to whether the non-gray Niagara engine numbers have some special historical meaning? To clarify, another manufacturer has announced an engine for which two of the numbers had less-than-sterling histories in the 1:1 world; One had a catastrophic boiler explosion, the other hit a school bus creating fatalities. That's the sort of thing I'd rather NOT have celebrated on my own layout. (In all fairness, the final engine number choices for that mfr's release have not been identified as of yet, but my pre-order was stipulated as such.)
But NYC Niagaras 6013, 6023, 6005??
Thanks for any helpful info.
KD
J Daddy posted:Its funny, as a kid this engine just looked massively HUGE! but compare to some of the western FEF's it looks small?
Remember, the New York Central Railroad had some pretty tight clearances, thus their Niagara Class locomotives were designed and built accordingly. The UP and SP, for example, had no such locomotive clearance restrictions.
Especially, when I saw the Lionel version run at York.
If I was going to bite... I would get this one:
I am thinking of possibly getting #6001. Just to break up most of the stuff on my layout being black locomotive wise, aside from the MTH GE Evo, and N&W 611. Though I will probably end up not getting it.
My MTH 6025 is fine by me.
6019
Does anyone know if they are making any of the black schemes without 'white walls?' I wish they would make them black like the previous run but Ryan indicated on the video they would have white on them.
Ordered a 6005 or 6013 from Charles Ro, depends on which road number my friend wants.
Mike
Called around today.
LCCA you must prepay full amount by the first of March
2 dealers want deposits
2 others require no deposit, good faith.
When delivered anywhere from June 2018 till Xmas 2018, maybe later.
1 dealer said that on pieces like this no more than 500 total are usually run, even with all the road numbers and variations available.
Clear as mud
Jushavnfun posted:Called around today.
LCCA you must prepay full amount by the first of March
Thanks for the heads up on this. I would like to get the LCCA #6019 and support LCCA while I am at it, but If that's true then I would not be interested in paying $1700 now for a locomotive that won't be here for over a year - not to mention some folks just don't have that kind of loose cash readily available.
I can see a request for 10 or 20% down as reasonable but this is the first time I have ever heard of anyone requiring payment in full upfront on a preorder.
I hope the LCCA can chime in here and clarify, and I that it's just a mistake or misunderstanding.
I ordered the #6005. I struggled with the decision between the headlights and finally decided I wanted the traditional look (not the tiny LED's like my SD70's) . For me, the #6013 was out. I like the Grey but only going for one Niagara. I have a NIB set of NYC passenger cars (from Commodore Vanderbilt) that should match nicely with the black loco.
I’m happy with my CCII version. She has been through the Alex shops for upgrades and new gears.
Thanks
Richard
I'm thinking of the movie. The one with young Marilyn Monroe. Wow!
Pete
Jushavnfun posted:Called around today.
LCCA you must prepay full amount by the first of March
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WOW!!! Are you sure about that? The LCCA didn't even require full payment up front when they offered their limited edition (50 units) production of the Standard Gauge Big Brute "Goliath" w/3 Showroom Cars several years ago.
David
Norton posted:rb2hogger posted:As far as the 6019 goes, I am already a member of LCCA and unless they come way down in price I will order mine from Charles Ro. His early buy price is $300.00 less than what LCCA wants.
LCCA price is $1709. Ro is 300 under that??
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Pete, I think somebody is having a bit of trouble with subtraction tonight. I had my Niagaras on order with Charlie before Lionel announced pricing, and even that group of folks isn't getting a price of $1410. Slightly better than the website checkout shows, but nowhere near $300 less than what the LCCA wants. That's wishful thinking on even the best of days!!! It's funny how some of these numbers get tossed around. 
David
The Williams brass Niagara Is a great running and beautiful engine.Not quite as detailed as the new Lionel model but the can be bought for a lot less money.While they don't have a sound system, i have added one to my Williams Niagara to add to its operation.i am sure the new Lionel Niagara is a fine model but for someone on a smaller budget the Williams might be a nice alternative.They do come up on ebay and have also seen them on the TCA classified adds.
The Horseshoe Falls on the Canadian side!
Niagara, Wisconsin
Anyone know what year they switched over to the dual headlight? Looking to get one that would be correct for 1947 era.
Really, is the Lionel Niagara $1700.00 ???
Sure glad I bought two MTH Niagara,s from the last offerings.
