I received my L&N GP7 2 Rail Number 400. My only regret is I did not order a 3 Rail version too. This is my first 3rd Rail Locomotive. If it runs as good as it looks I got a winner. I have been collection 2 Rail L&N and Southern rolling stock since 2008. I am planning a small 1 switch shelf layout to enjoy my small 2 Rail collection.
@sdmann posted:If you google GT GP9s I see black cab roofs on several engines, but who am I to judge.
https://www.google.com/search?...imgrc=vn-KxCB0KhU_2M
Probably painted that way to protect against rust in their later years. I can't post those pictures here due to IP rules but I put the link up there. The return policy is in your paperwork. There were only 3 made, and I have someone waiting for one to become available. I am sorry your not happy with how we chose to paint them. But I am sure we can find a good home for her.
Hmmmm, me thinks he is talking about the lack of the bell on the long hood and the air tanks on the roof. No????
Awesome 
@I'd rather be ice fishing posted:I am thinking the gp7 is a fantasy scheme? Can any c&o experts chime in? I think the gp9 looks good...but the 7 floored me with the dynamic brakes and low number, a google search did not help me..
C & O definitely had GP7s with dynamic brakes...
https://www.railpictures.net/photo/238488/
https://www.railpictures.net/photo/552839/
https://www.railpictures.net/photo/626117/
https://www.railpictures.net/photo/313654/
The number does seem low though. Most pictures I’ve seen were 15xx and 57xx - 58xx series.
@I'd rather be ice fishing posted:I am thinking the gp7 is a fantasy scheme? Can any c&o experts chime in? I think the gp9 looks good...but the 7 floored me with the dynamic brakes and low number, a google search did not help me..
The lowest number I see on the C&O GP7 roster is 1503 (of the 114 GP7s they had). Not sure what the no. 246 represents.
BTW, the paint on the left side of the rear of the engine shown in one of your pictures (see below) looks somewhat uneven. Is that just something with the photo?
@rdunniii posted:Hmmmm, me thinks he is talking about the lack of the bell on the long hood and the air tanks on the roof. No????
No. Me thinks what you thinks is not what he's talking about. Besides the black roof, he specifically mentioned his objections only to the quality of the lettering and to the wrong colored paint on the ends.
@breezinup posted:The lowest number I see on the C&O GP7 roster is 1503 (of the 114 GP7s they had). Not sure what the no. 246 represents.
BTW, the paint on the left side of the rear of the engine shown in one of your pictures (see below) looks somewhat uneven. Is that just something with the photo?
If you mean the steps that is just glare from my bad photos. the yellow stripes are rather poorly done and not centered where the v starts though..My books don't mention any numbers below 5800 for the gp7. but I wanted to ask as I am not a c&o expert..
@rplst8 posted:C & O definitely had GP7s with dynamic brakes...
https://www.railpictures.net/photo/238488/
https://www.railpictures.net/photo/552839/
https://www.railpictures.net/photo/626117/
https://www.railpictures.net/photo/313654/
The number does seem low though. Most pictures I’ve seen were 15xx and 57xx - 58xx series.
I did know some of the gp7s had dynamic brakes but was disappointed because the model illustrated by sunset did not have them and I wanted it to contrast to the gp9 with dynamic brakes, that is not the deal breaker that the fantasy number is though..I have emailed Scott. I just had the idea these all were to be based faithfully to the prototypes, I'm sure all will be resolved.
https://ogrforum.ogaugerr.com/...1#154730474185648651
I've been a member of the GTW Historical Society and worked with Atlas, MTH, Weaver, and Lionel on GTW models in the past.
The standard GTW locomotive paint specs. are blue car body with red ends.
They got rusty and dirty alright, (like the one below) but the roofs weren't painted black.
Fresh paint. Blue roof.
I didn't see any black roofs in the posted google search link.
I'm not trying to beat a dead horse, I'm really not.
I just don't want any other manufacturers who may be viewing this or see the 3rd rail model that black roofs were correct.
I'll stop my foaming now... 🤣
I was just really looking forward to having a GTW GP9 from 3rd Rail
Thanks for the no-hassle refund Scott.
I appreciate it.
@sdmann posted:If you google GT GP9s I see black cab roofs on several engines, but who am I to judge.
https://www.google.com/search?...imgrc=vn-KxCB0KhU_2M
Probably painted that way to protect against rust in their later years. I can't post those pictures here due to IP rules but I put the link up there. The return policy is in your paperwork. There were only 3 made, and I have someone waiting for one to become available. I am sorry your not happy with how we chose to paint them. But I am sure we can find a good home for her.
Some also did have the more squared off and taller “GT”
https://images.app.goo.gl/mRGhAFfi9w9vaBtw6
And white on black number boards
The Grand Trunk Western 'GT' logo looks distorted on the model shown.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/57688015@N08/5521195265
Andrew
The appearance needs to be focused on the GTW 4400 series.
Andrew
Can the GT logo be removed?
Perhaps a decal can be applied over it.
Andrew
http://www.rrpicturearchives.n...ture.aspx?id=1411182
This is a good photo of GTW 4439.
Notice the logo and the number boards.
Andrew
The number chosen could have been GTW 4930 with the black number boards and white letters
https://www.flickr.com/photos/irvinle1/39477013261/
The red color is how the bright orange-red looks in shadows.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/irvinle1/12917809265/
Andrew
This website has a photo of GTW 4432 for comparison.
http://www.railroadmichigan.com/grandtrunk.html
Andrew
Gotta love when all the “experts” want to throw in their 10 cents after the models show up!
Scott does his best and is in a whole different realm of accuracy and customer service than anybody else in O scale. 50 some odd variations with countless era and road specific details! Cut the guy some slack. If your not happy, he will take care of things one way or another!
And if your REALLY not happy, then have fun waiting till 2031 when the next Atlas engines are scheduled to show up 
@BigJohn&theWork posted:Gotta love when all the “experts” want to throw in their 10 cents after the models show up!
Scott does his best and is in a whole different realm of accuracy and customer service than anybody else in O scale. 50 some odd variations with countless era and road specific details! Cut the guy some slack. If your not happy, he will take care of things one way or another!
And if your REALLY not happy, then have fun waiting till 2031 when the next Atlas engines are scheduled to show up
Or pay someone to paint it the way you want it and not hope the manufacture does it right.
@rplst8 posted:Some also did have the more squared off and taller “GT”
https://images.app.goo.gl/mRGhAFfi9w9vaBtw6
And white on black number boards
The logos were standardized with only two variations. None looked like the one on this model.
The 1960's era Black & Red scheme used black number boards with white letters.
All post-1973 GTW units in the Blue & Red scheme had white number boards.
The GP38 you linked to with black number boards was a repair job by the Illinois Central shops in Homewood.
This unit was repaired after the GTW was taken over by CN.
@falconservice posted:The red color is how the bright orange-red looks in shadows.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/irvinle1/12917809265/
Andrew
It may be possible to find a rare photo that appears to show that, but this really has no bearing on, and is not an excuse for, the fact that the cherry red paint used on the ends of the 3rd Rail model is nowhere close to the prototypical color used by the GTW.
That said, as everyone knows, there are a lot of moving parts in this manufacturing method, working with a Far East manufacturer doing numerous different models with different paint schemes, as Scott has mentioned, and sometimes unplanned "stuff" happens. Goes with the territory, both for the company selling the engine, and, it's apparent, for the customer buying it. At some point, an undertaking can become too large for the particular manufacturing method to handle, and mistakes may get made. When that threshold is reached in this type of production, I don't know, but maybe it was.
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