I believe for the number of models in this run for Scott 20 variants is the limit they will build. JMO
Excellent news Scott!
@rdunniii posted:OK, I'm sorry, it must be me, but that makes no sense to me. If 5 people reserve 2 each, =10, they will not get done. But if 5 people reserve 4 each, =20, it will. One person reserving 20 or 2 people reserving 10 also works. The 20 variations cutoff? From past history the 20 unit minimum reservations will cut it down to 20 or less variations. The ones that get cut are usually less than 5-6.
Contrarily, if Scott moves a popular variation to a 2nd run to get a 2nd run going then he will loose 30-40 1st run reservations and poof the 1st run is in jeopardy.
You must have have a hard time understanding simple concepts. Perhaps I need to draw you a picture.
If their are 18 reservations for a road, then obviously 2 more will meet the minimum. So, if W&LE needs 2 more reservations to get done, I will add 2 more.
Do you need a calculator to understand simple math?
Variations, numbers, how many and which roads, run one, run two ........
Lets Chill.
The factory has made some “ground rules” but it Sounds like Scott’s got it under control. He’s pretty upbeat and we will get some nice models.
CHEERS !!! 😜
@catnap posted:You must have have a hard time understanding simple concepts. Perhaps I need to draw you a picture.
If their are 18 reservations for a road, then obviously 2 more will meet the minimum. So, if W&LE needs 2 more reservations to get done, I will add 2 more.
Do you need a calculator to understand simple math?
Because you're never going to know how many reservations there are for each. That's why. Even when I reserved the number required to make the F7 demonstrators I never knew the total number done, only the number I needed to purchase at the end. He and the builder will make the decision on which variants are a go and you're only going to know if it's a no go when reservations close and all the numbers are set for the builder. You're done. He never publishes the numbers for each variation.
It's nice to see that this project has moved beyond "go" to now include the tunnel motor variant. I've always thought those, well... cool, but I'll resist the temptation for now. Have to take care of the home road first. But if indeed there's a second run on this project, be it straight SD40-2, or tunnel motors, I'll be in for that too.
RM
So I put in my reservation, do we get a conformation email or something? I didn't receive anything after I submitted it. I just want to make sure I have my name in on this. Thanks
Scott’s secretary is out for a few weeks and he is holding down the fort. Drop him an e-mail and you should hear from him.
So what are the 20 roads you are going to do Scott?
@Texas Eagle 77 posted:So what are the 20 roads you are going to do Scott?
Not known yet. The ones that have been cancelled usually had less than 5 reservations. There are also potentially versions that will be done that are not even advertised. If a hobby shop or a person wants a version done just for them and reserves the minimum required that version will be done and counts towards the 20. Even versions of versions are not known and depends on versions people have reserved. If there are 10 reservations for MP without dynamic brakes in X paint and every other version has less guess which one will be produced. If only one version is advertised then it is reasonable that only one version will be built. Usually people who have made specific preferences known will have the opportunity to back out, otherwise you get what is built.
You can still email Scott to reserve one that has been cancelled. There's an old saying "If it weren't for the last moment nothing would ever get done". They sit for months with no additional reservations and when he announces reservations closing reservations magically show up. And that certainly has been true here. Cancelled ones have been revived and ones on the bubble cancelled in the past. He tried with the GP7/9s to do everything and that did not turn out well, so the builder limited it at 20 versions per run from now on.
@rdunniii posted:Not known yet. The ones that have been cancelled usually had less than 5 reservations. There are also potentially versions that will be done that are not even advertised. If a hobby shop or a person wants a version done just for them and reserves the minimum required that version will be done and counts towards the 20. Even versions of versions are not known and depends on versions people have reserved. If there are 10 reservations for MP without dynamic brakes in X paint and every other version has less guess which one will be produced. If only one version is advertised then it is reasonable that only one version will be built. Usually people who have made specific preferences known will have the opportunity to back out, otherwise you get what is built.
You can still email Scott to reserve one that has been cancelled. There's an old saying "If it weren't for the last moment nothing would ever get done". They sit for months with no additional reservations and when he announces reservations closing reservations magically show up. And that certainly has been true here. Cancelled ones have been revived and ones on the bubble cancelled in the past. He tried with the GP7/9s to do everything and that did not turn out well, so the builder limited it at 20 versions per run from now on.
As usual - good info on the behind scenes goings on. Thanks !!!
In my mind - it’s all about the numbers. Those with the most reservations will be produced. 5 of the 25 shown (and I guess the undecorated gets done no matter what) won’t get done (not counting canceled MKT). Late reservations Can restack the final 20. Time for the “fence sitters” to commit.
Perhaps we are close to a final roads to be produced “shuffle” prior to reservations closing.
@TrainBub posted:As usual - good info on the behind scenes goings on. Thanks !!!
In my mind - it’s all about the numbers. Those with the most reservations will be produced. 5 of the 25 shown (and I guess the undecorated gets done no matter what) won’t get done (not counting canceled MKT). Late reservations Can restack the final 20. Time for the “fence sitters” to commit.
Perhaps we are close to a final roads to be produced “shuffle” prior to reservations closing.
There is no certainty that 20 road names will be produced.
Scott ( @sdmann ) has posted that "I am limited to 20 road name specific detailed / painted models per run" by the factory.
Based on Scott's statement it stands to reason that less than the maximum 20 road names will be produced in the "first" and potentially "only" run. I say this because the more popular road names will in all probability have multiple 'specific detailed / painted' versions produced requiring elimination of additional road names. IF and that is a big if in my estimation, only one version per road name is produced then the maximum of 20 road names could be produced.
As for the 'time for "fence sitters" to commit' comment. I disagree, and here's why.
I may be the only person that feels this way, although I doubt it, but I won't make a reservation (along with the accompanying commitment of funds) that lasts for an indeterminate length of time (this project and thread is several years old) only to eventually find out the engine I want will not be produced. I have read that when reservations close if my choice won't be made I can opt for one of the engines that will be produced, however, I find this unacceptable for two reasons.
1) If I have no desire for one of the 'will be' produced engines I may have missed out on some other engine because I committed the funds to the reserved engine.
2) Not following through on a commitment to purchase is not something I want to do.
I absolutely realize my one engine will not make or break this project, however, who knows how many others have the same concerns and that number could make a major difference.
@GregM posted:As for the 'time for "fence sitters" to commit' comment. I disagree, and here's why.
I may be the only person that feels this way, although I doubt it, but I won't make a reservation (along with the accompanying commitment of funds) that lasts for an indeterminate length of time (this project and thread is several years old) only to eventually find out the engine I want will not be produced. I have read that when reservations close if my choice won't be made I can opt for one of the engines that will be produced, however, I find this unacceptable for two reasons.
1) If I have no desire for one of the 'will be' produced engines I may have missed out on some other engine because I committed the funds to the reserved engine.
2) Not following through on a commitment to purchase is not something I want to do.
I absolutely realize my one engine will not make or break this project, however, who knows how many others have the same concerns and that number could make a major difference.
I also share this opinion. I have no intention to commit to a model that I am not fully interested in. As I don't have much influence on what specific road names or eras would eventually be imported, I might remain on this fence indefinitely.
These are just my opinion,
Naveen Rajan
@naveenrajan posted:I also share this opinion. I have no intention to commit to a model that I am not fully interested in. As I don't have much influence on what specific road names or eras would eventually be imported, I might remain on this fence indefinitely.
These are just my opinion,
Naveen Rajan
No one asks you to commit to something you’re not interested in.
Anyone wanting to continue to “sit on the fence” is welcome to do so. Your choice.
@GregM posted:There is no certainty that 20 road names will be produced.
Scott ( @sdmann ) has posted that "I am limited to 20 road name specific detailed / painted models per run" by the factory.
Based on Scott's statement it stands to reason that less than the maximum 20 road names will be produced in the "first" and potentially "only" run. I say this because the more popular road names will in all probability have multiple 'specific detailed / painted' versions produced requiring elimination of additional road names. IF and that is a big if in my estimation, only one version per road name is produced then the maximum of 20 road names could be produced.
As for the 'time for "fence sitters" to commit' comment. I disagree, and here's why.
I may be the only person that feels this way, although I doubt it, but I won't make a reservation (along with the accompanying commitment of funds) that lasts for an indeterminate length of time (this project and thread is several years old) only to eventually find out the engine I want will not be produced. I have read that when reservations close if my choice won't be made I can opt for one of the engines that will be produced, however, I find this unacceptable for two reasons.
1) If I have no desire for one of the 'will be' produced engines I may have missed out on some other engine because I committed the funds to the reserved engine.
2) Not following through on a commitment to purchase is not something I want to do.
I absolutely realize my one engine will not make or break this project, however, who knows how many others have the same concerns and that number could make a major difference.
Lots of trade offs on how to manage - will it be this model or another different one we reserve - or none. We all have our own way of doing things.
@TrainBub posted:No one asks you to commit to something you’re not interested in.
Anyone wanting to continue to “sit on the fence” is welcome to do so. Your choice.
Wait, I thought you were the one reaching out to people like me, on the fence, to commit to orders, so that you could get your favorite road names done.
These are just my opinion,
Naveen Rajan
@naveenrajan posted:Wait, I thought you were the one reaching out to people like me, on the fence, to commit to orders, so that you could get your favorite road names done.
These are just my opinion,
Naveen Rajan
Whatever.
@GregM posted:There is no certainty that 20 road names will be produced.
Scott ( @sdmann ) has posted that "I am limited to 20 road name specific detailed / painted models per run" by the factory.
Based on Scott's statement it stands to reason that less than the maximum 20 road names will be produced in the "first" and potentially "only" run. I say this because the more popular road names will in all probability have multiple 'specific detailed / painted' versions produced requiring elimination of additional road names. IF and that is a big if in my estimation, only one version per road name is produced then the maximum of 20 road names could be produced.
As for the 'time for "fence sitters" to commit' comment. I disagree, and here's why.
I may be the only person that feels this way, although I doubt it, but I won't make a reservation (along with the accompanying commitment of funds) that lasts for an indeterminate length of time (this project and thread is several years old) only to eventually find out the engine I want will not be produced. I have read that when reservations close if my choice won't be made I can opt for one of the engines that will be produced, however, I find this unacceptable for two reasons.
1) If I have no desire for one of the 'will be' produced engines I may have missed out on some other engine because I committed the funds to the reserved engine.
2) Not following through on a commitment to purchase is not something I want to do.
I absolutely realize my one engine will not make or break this project, however, who knows how many others have the same concerns and that number could make a major difference.
There is no commitment of funds to make a reservation. Not sure where that information came from. The commitment is to pay for the model after it is produced and then it will be delivered to you with a very flexible refund policy if you are not satisfied. If indeed the road name you placed a pre-order on gets cancelled you are only out the disappointment that the road you were looking for didn't get enough orders.
Road names are cancelled prior to start of production so Scott reaches out to customers directly and asks if they would like to order another road name or cancel their pre-order. You will not miss out on your second choice because your first choice got canceled.
This is how it works for Sunset. That is why Sunset is like no other manufacturer in this scale or pretty much any other scale. Name another manufacturer who does this much output where you deal with the owner directly?
The reality is one engine can and has made a difference between a road name going forward or not going forward. Lessons learned from past projects will make this even more likely in the future.
As for 2nd runs? The E7 had 3.5 runs if you include the version made for the "Train of Tomorrow". F7s had two runs. There is a second run of F3s being offered with limited road names. On the other hand, the FL9, FT, FP7, and SD7/9 have never been offered for second runs as much as some of us would like that. PAs, E5s, 6s, 8s, and 9s have yet to be re-run. In short, 2nd runs are a big if. The same is true for a lot of the GGD passenger train sets. I'd like to see some re-runs that I missed out on. Not counting on it.
For all of us who support Sunset in our various roles it is our hope is that good quality models get produced for people who truly enjoy quality product that performs well. It has never been anything less than that.
@GG1 4877 posted:There is no commitment of funds to make a reservation. Not sure where that information came from. The commitment is to pay for the model after it is produced and then it will be delivered to you with a very flexible refund policy if you are not satisfied. If indeed the road name you placed a pre-order on gets cancelled you are only out the disappointment that the road you were looking for didn't get enough orders.
Road names are cancelled prior to start of production so Scott reaches out to customers directly and asks if they would like to order another road name or cancel their pre-order. You will not miss out on your second choice because your first choice got canceled.
This is how it works for Sunset. That is why Sunset is like no other manufacturer in this scale or pretty much any other scale. Name another manufacturer who does this much output where you deal with the owner directly?
The reality is one engine can and has made a difference between a road name going forward or not going forward. Lessons learned from past projects will make this even more likely in the future.
As for 2nd runs? The E7 had 3.5 runs if you include the version made for the "Train of Tomorrow". F7s had two runs. There is a second run of F3s being offered with limited road names. On the other hand, the FL9, FT, FP7, and SD7/9 have never been offered for second runs as much as some of us would like that. PAs, E5s, 6s, 8s, and 9s have yet to be re-run. In short, 2nd runs are a big if. The same is true for a lot of the GGD passenger train sets. I'd like to see some re-runs that I missed out on. Not counting on it.
For all of us who support Sunset in our various roles it is our hope is that good quality models get produced for people who truly enjoy quality product that performs well. It has never been anything less than that.
Thank you so much Jonathan !!!
