From your photos Mario, it looks like the new Atlas F7s sit much higher out of the box than the older F2/3s. Seen that before....Lionel F3s and F7s.
I concur.
Somewhere around ~0.080" is my guess.
And, no ones seen Lionel Fs like yours and mine before!
Hey guys, I am not buying it just yet. Number 1, CentralFan1976 please show a comparison picture where the background is the same for both models. What I mean is in your earlier post the NYC F2 has a black background behind it and the Milwaukee Road has a white background behind it. Because you can see light through the Milwaukee Road it looks worse in my opinion. Number 2, I find it hard to believe that Atlas, a company known for not changing their tooling, (it took them how many years of complaining by 2 railers to change their scale coupler--about 10?) changed the tooling on either the frame or the trucks for this run of F7s. But hey I could be wrong.
Ok HJ1E, I tried to do my best to get you a true and honest height of the side sill.
This was taken exactly at floor height, and you can just see the flat frame over the truck leaf spring.
![IMG_8038 IMG_8038](https://ogrforum.ogaugerr.com/fileSendAction/fcType/0/fcOid/71115595962237292/filePointer/71256347247548168/fodoid/71256347247548163/imageType/MEDIUM/inlineImage/true/IMG_8038.JPG)
![IMG_8039 IMG_8039](https://ogrforum.ogaugerr.com/fileSendAction/fcType/0/fcOid/71115595962237292/filePointer/71256347247431447/fodoid/71256347247431441/imageType/MEDIUM/inlineImage/true/IMG_8039.JPG)
![IMG_8038 IMG_8038](https://ogrforum.ogaugerr.com/fileSendAction/fcType/0/fcOid/71115595962237292/filePointer/71256347247431448/fodoid/71256347247431442/imageType/MEDIUM/inlineImage/true/IMG_8038.JPG)
And it comes in at exactly 1.0485".
1.0485" x 48 = 50.328"
50.328" / 12 = 4' 2 1/3"
![IMG_8040 IMG_8040](https://ogrforum.ogaugerr.com/fileSendAction/fcType/0/fcOid/71115595962237292/filePointer/71256347247431449/fodoid/71256347247431443/imageType/MEDIUM/inlineImage/true/IMG_8040.PNG)
Side sill height is 4' 2".
Survey says: the side sill on my Atlas F2 is a real .328" tall, or a human hair thickness in 1/48.
Unfortunately, this is the only Atlas F unit I own, and will probably ever own since the NYC Fs are getting scarce and the prices in the new ones are out of my league. So, I can't compare to a new F7. Sorry.
![IMG_8038 IMG_8038](https://ogrforum.ogaugerr.com/fileSendAction/fcType/0/fcOid/71115595962237292/filePointer/71256347247548171/fodoid/71256347247548166/imageType/MEDIUM/inlineImage/true/IMG_8038.JPG)
![IMG_8031 IMG_8031](https://ogrforum.ogaugerr.com/fileSendAction/fcType/0/fcOid/71115595962237292/filePointer/71256347247548170/fodoid/71256347247548165/imageType/MEDIUM/inlineImage/true/IMG_8031.JPG)
(Notice how you can see the top of the pilot, which says it's taken at a slight downward angle.)
I hope this helps.
Thanks!
Mario