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@Will posted:

Here is my modest haul from the Renningers meet on Saturday. This should hold me for a while.  Catalogs, caboose and gondolas courtesy of @John H. Shetler.

Nothing rare or unusual, but these pieces will run on my Christmas layout. The gons will carry Christmas trees as well as candy and small presents, which should delight the granddaughter. I have had no luck with finding some of the prewar signals I wanted, so I went ahead and bought a few 153s, which are "technically" prewar. I am debating altering these, just for the fun of it. Maybe a new color base and a white disk where the black hood is now- just to make something more period, toylike and unique. Not sure yet.

The big find was the searchlight car. After visiting the entire show with no luck, I found three at the last two tables. This was the best and for some reason the least expensive of the three- about 1/2 the price of a typical piece in worse shape on Ebay. The paint is perfect and the rubber stamped lettering is intact and clear on both sides. All parts accounted for.

After a bit of internal debate, I decided to polish up the brass (as well as the couplers). I used Goddards cleaner for copper and brass and my fingers mostly. In the first photo I have cleaned one ring only. The rest of the photos and video show the car after polishing. I am happy- the idea is to add more light and sparkle to the layout.

The short video has a little Fats Waller sound track.

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Hey Will

I was at Renningers as well. We'll have to meet one of these times. I think you made the right decision cleaning up the spotlights on the 820!

Jim Waterman

When I finally get around to building my new layout it will have both O Gauge and Standard Gauge track.  My goal is to have as much tinplate on the layout as possible.  I already have tinplate buildings and other accessories.  I have been working on gathering tinplate vehicles.  I have found a number of vehicles by Paya that should work quite well with the Standard Gauge trains.

The hunt continues.

Northwoods Flyer

When I finally get around to building my new layout it will have both O Gauge and Standard Gauge track.  My goal is to have as much tinplate on the layout as possible.  I already have tinplate buildings and other accessories.  I have been working on gathering tinplate vehicles.  I have found a number of vehicles by Paya that should work quite well with the Standard Gauge trains.

The hunt continues.

Northwoods Flyer

I have a few of these types. Perfect toy look for a STD Gauge display.



Steve

The Strange Case of the Unfinished JEP Railroad Empire

  About 6 months ago I did a buy-it-now on e-bay and became the latest curator of a boxed JEP train set from the late 1920’s/early 1930’s.

  The pictures of the set indicated it was in excellent condition and, as near as I and the seller could tell everything was intact save the set box which was missing one end.  As soon as the train arrived, I made it a point to manufacture and install a new box end.

  At the time things were a bit hectic on the home front so the train hobby and this set in particular had to be put aside while more pressing issues were addressed.  As usually happens, the home front eventually got back to normal and a few weeks ago I finally took the JEP set out to really look it over…and that’s when things really started to get interesting

  Let’s start with the set box.

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As you can see, from the box sides its original color was rose colored.  As you can also see, at sometime in the past the set was stored where it was exposed to sun and the top color faded…but that top has some tales to tell.  The top is crisscrossed with rose colored lines and it has a rectangular rose-colored patch on the left side.  Two things are obvious – something sat on the left side of the box and blocked the sun’s efforts with respect to fading and someone at some point tied the box together with twine hence the lines and the shadow of the twine bow tie on the right side.

  Lifting the lid we find three sheets glued to the underside – one a series of JEP instructions, one instructions for the #5470 locomotive and one with a series of track plans.

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Because of what follows it is worth taking a closer look at the track diagram – the key point is the count of straight and curved track  – a maximum count of 8 curved and 6 straight – the translation indicates these are some of the patterns you can make with the track in this set.

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  As I noted, after repairing the end of the box I put it aside so, except for a quick examination of the major components of the set (engine, two cars, rheostat) I left things like the track wrapped until later.

  The set came with an additional pair of boxed manual switches and a boxed 90-degree crossover.  Their boxes had been carefully crushed so that they would hold the switches and the crossover and also sit on top of the set under the lid and not interfere with anything.

  When I got all of the track out and sorted, I found I had a lot more than 6 straight and only 5 curved tracks.  I also noted one section of the box had more room than was needed for what curved track there was or would have been.

  JEP made it a point to have tie-downs for everything in their set boxes and a close examination of the “roomy” storage section indicated tie-downs for what had to be missing components – more on this in a bit.

   The last item in the box was a manila envelope with some papers.  I just assumed they were more JEP instructions but when I pulled them out, I found something quite different – a torn and taped piece of writing paper with a letter head and three pieces of paper with track diagrams.

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The letterhead is for a Doctor A. D---- with a street address of 109 Cours Emile Zola in Lyon, France.

The three pieces of paper all have the same basic track plan and the crayon writing and diagrams would suggest the dreams of empire of a very young man.  The track is color coded and the sections labeled with the letters “C” and “D” most likely short for  “courbe” and “droit” – curved and straight.  In addition, the switches are labeled with red and green crayon…and when we look at the switches and there respective boxes we find

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Hand color coding on the boxes to match the color of the flags on the switches.

  But there’s more. One thing I noticed immediately was the careful attention to track detail for all of the track above the 90-degree crossing and, at best, just a vague suggestion of track details below the crossing. I though this lack of precision in what amounted to a young man’s detailed civil engineering plan to be curious to say the least.

  So, with my predecessors’ instructions firmly in hand, I set about to rebuild the empire.  I knew there would be a problem with curved track but that was a detail I figured I could just ignore.  You can imagine my surprise when I discovered the detailed plan was indeed the layout!

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  In other words, it looks like trackage below the 90-degree crossing was a work in progress which was never completed.  (Ignore the two stations – they are my addition to the empire – everything else was in the box)

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The keen eyed amongst you will no doubt have noted the outer route between the switches is not JEP track – it’s Lionel.  There is enough straight JEP track to take the place of the Lionel straight – the issue is the need for 5 more pieces of JEP banked curve.  The reason I didn’t mix the JEP and the Lionel track is the pins on the JEP track are just a little too big to insert into the Lionel track.

  Since there had to have been at least 8 curved in the original set it is obvious some of it went missing – most likely when the set box was damaged.

  The other thing that is almost certainly missing is a 4-wheel JEP postal car.  My JEP reference for the 1929/1930 period indicates sets with the #5470 were three car sets – the good news is I recently found a correct replacement and it is on its way. One can only assume this too was a casualty of the set box damage.

…and one last thing.

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The three pieces of paper with the track diagrams are actually tickets to a charity sale at the church of St. Madeleine.  A check of Google maps indicates the church is in the neighborhood of 109 Emile Zola…and this is where speculation can run rampant and questions come fast and furious.

   Are the charity tickets and the set connected?  Was the set perhaps something that was bought at the charity sale or is this just a case of a random assembly of a train set and some paper for a child to map out his dreams?  What were the circumstances that appear to have led to a situation of no track below 90 degrees? …and on and on. 1930 was a long time ago and I’m sure I’ll never know.

   What I do know is I am going on the hunt for at least 5 more pieces of the correct JEP curved track to complete the young man’s vision and I’m going to build the planned Paris extension (the main station is obviously Lyon – Paris is that station in the background) above the 90-degree crossing using Lionel curved track (the JEP and the Lionel 0-31 are a very close match).  I won’t try to run the high voltage engine but I have any number of other trains I’m sure would be interested in making a high speed run between Lyon and Paris.

P.S.  In case you were wondering - here's the Google street view of 109 Emile Zola

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Last edited by Robert S. Butler

When I finally get around to building my new layout it will have both O Gauge and Standard Gauge track.  My goal is to have as much tinplate on the layout as possible.  I already have tinplate buildings and other accessories.  I have been working on gathering tinplate vehicles.  I have found a number of vehicles by Paya that should work quite well with the Standard Gauge trains.

The hunt continues.

Northwoods Flyer

OMG, love them. And the painted backdrops too. Can you give us the dope on those?

Hello Robert,

I must recognized that I am impressed by your latest find of this JEP set.  A very nice quality piece and with a "little story" is always a great pleasure for us.

It may be dated, the set box is the second type and not the most common, this is a 1926-27 one. The later ones which are less rare are light green. All is perfectly period, except you are right for the post car and (or) a baggage one from the same period is missing, all combinations are legit. The set was sold with eight curves and four straights, if you need additional tracks I can gave you a bunch of original ones but shipping, to US is expensive....

The switches have been added certainly at the same time, the red and green colors on the levers are specific of JEP models.

So this set has certainly been a gift to a young boy maybe who hes lost interested by it as being offered to a charity sale just some four years later is very short in my opinion; maybe the second owner has plans for a layout...it will be impossible to know more of the history of that beautiful piece, near a hundred years ago is a very long time..... The charity sales where a common thing in those time and they still exist in the same church of La Madeleine which is one of the most beautiful church in Paris and the address of 109 Emile Zola street has also seen many changes.

For me running the set is not a problem, even with the rheostat, just have to check if all connections are in good condition but a classic Lionel ZW is enough powerful to run it, no at high speed but it will do the job perfectly. You will have to put a 6 volts lamp on the loco and all will be right, original ones where 5.5 volts and are impossible to find but there is no difference using 6v.

Many thanks for reviving a "little" history of toy trains,

All my best wishes, Daniel

A period JEP station and two cars matching your set.

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@Will posted:

OMG, love them. And the painted backdrops too. Can you give us the dope on those?

Hi Will,

I'm glad you like them.  The backdrop is a nifty little accessory that Gilbert American Flyer made for their S-gauge line. It is the #790 Trainorama that appeared in 1953.

It has 6 large pieces that all fit in the large envelope and can be assembled in a number of ways.

  Its been shuffled around for a few years in storage so I decided to take it out and see how it looked as a backdrop for photos.

I think it works pretty well.

Northwoods Flyer

Greg

Wow Greg, the "Train a Rama" backdrops are really cool.  I had seen those in a reference book but never in color and your pictures are just great.  Daniel...what a neat JEP station.  Robert S. Butler what a fabulous story.  Beautiful set as well, thanks for posting.

My offering today is NOT tinplate (although the trucks and wheels are) so I hope I don't offend anyone.  But it is a Toy Train from Louis Marx and Co.  It is the large Santa Fe caboose #4427, a deluxe car (Marx collector nomenclature which identifies cars with additional features) that was available in 1952-1954.  This one however is the much more scarce version that is tuscan or russet in color with white lettering.  The far more common version is bright red with black lettering.  This was a long hunt for me and I just connected with one of the proper color last week on e-bay.  

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Here is a close up of the platform area showing the added rail and ladder.  This is some of the additional detail that makes this car a "deluxe" offering form Marx.  It is also somewhat larger than the normal Marx caboose.

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Happy Monday

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My goodness this is a great page with some lovely tin! The JeP station, Trainorama backdrops, JeP set, Ernst and Plank. Awesome finds, gentleman!

and @Don McErlean, nice Marx Deluxe ATSF! Thank you for giving me the gumption to post my own sentimental Marx find- courtesy of my mom. Recently, she found a cardboard box in storage, with marker on it to make it look like a station, was made by some young toddler in the early 90s ha. Better than the box/station was the contents, nothing special, to most, but to me very much so, the trains id play with in the corner of my mom’s classroom(couldn’t afford a babysitter at that time) - which just so happen to be Marx plastic with deluxe trucks- although these have the knuckle couplers. PC tender, B&O box car, PRR Gondola, Edie log dump car, PC Caboose

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I also have a set of 4 wheel plastic cars, which I like even more.

And here are some more recent tin buys of mine:

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last but not least- this little Märklin freight wagon. Pre-WW1. When I saw it I actually recognized it from a book that I have. Missing the couplers, but intentionally made without buffers. Paint is actually in good shape all things considered89F24795-4564-4E43-98BB-FA0A7E722100

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StevefromPA: Thanks for posting your Marx set, would likely have come with a #400 or #490 plastic engine. Having the "Marx" logs for the Erie flat is a real find, bravo to your Mom for saving them.  The Ives litho "transition" cars are cool, I have the same cars but the Lionel ones, not as rare, as the Ives cars were only made one year I believe.  The stock car never made it to the Lionel lineup, good luck with finding one of those they are quite scarce. The Marklin car is really unusual.  By the way, love your layout...who made the switch tower?

Best wishes

Don

We Was Framed!

  Awhile back I purchased at auction two New Marx production test bodies made from scrap CP passenger car stock.  One had been stamped with the lithography on the outside and the other with the lithography on the inside.

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    I wanted to mount the bodies on the appropriate car frames complete with trucks and couplers and add them to my tinplate rolling stock roster.

  Several years ago at York I had purchased a New Marx frame complete with trucks and couplers.  I didn't have any use for it at the time but I bought it thinking it would come in handy someday....well, someday arrived and I combined the frame and Car Body #1 with the following results.

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  ....that left Car Body #2.

  I wasn't in any rush and I figured I would eventually find a frame and trucks to go with it too.  As luck would have it about a week or two ago a seller was offering New Marx cars for sale. Several of them were the fanciful Christmas themed flat cars with tin soldiers, packages, etc. mounted on flat cars. 

  Way back in the early 20th Century Issmayer made convertible cars with removable car bodies.  Their main offering was a passenger car with a detachable passenger car body.  When you took the body off you had a gondola and an instant freight train.  As I was looking over the New Marx Christmas cars I realized I could make an updated version of the Issmayer cars using one of the Christmas flats so I put in a bid on one and was successful.

  The end result

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  which converts into a boxcar loaded with Christmas presents.

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  Even more delightful is the fact that I don't have to do anything to the body or the flat car.  The boxcar body stamping was a tool test item and it is just ever-so-slightly wider than it should be. All I have to do is lightly press on the car sides so the body tabs line up with the holes in the flat car and set the body on the frame - the friction fit keeps everything together.

   

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@Don McErlean thank you for the compliment regarding my layout! Your kind words mean a lot, thank you truly.

Regarding the switch tower- that’s actually a 18v Bing Transformer from 1925 or 1928 hence the lever on the right. ALso- nice prediction regarding the 490! That engine was kept in a box with my dad’s engines, which were kept separate from the rolling stock.  Sorry for the late response, I was was waiting for arelated type of accessory arrives but it’s caught up in the mail.

Speaking of Marx, since I had them out, I took this picture- The 4 wheel plastic cars of which I spoke. Unsure if it’s a set, and if it was a set, I’m also unsure if one of these switchers was the motive power(also- there’s my- I mean the toddler’s- station in the background)

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Despite the plastic pics recently, I really love Marx’s 3/16 with the stamped black and silver low profile trucks. Hoping to pick up a 999, 666, or 333 steamer are an upcoming train show(suggestions welcomed!) anyway, got this Marx 3/16 Box car in the mail earlier this week. Look closely at the “station” to the right of the car to see a smiling face with a conductor’s hat!

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The Marklin car might look odd due to its age- one source says production from 1900-1914, and the book from which I recognized it has it at the back of Passenger consist from 1902.

Speaking of Marklin, Received this more “recent” red Marklin 2nd class coach #18610 in the mail midweek. I believe it’s prewar. “Germany” in black in bottom right corner and “Marklin” in yellow at the top on each side as you can see

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Also bought these from the same person

I believe this wind-up is postwar Bub. Stated to be German made for the Dutch market.

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And lastly a small postwar Brimtoy freight car. While I have a Brimtoy station, this is my first Brimtoy train. 1BAE18D3-4C4D-4F7E-8A99-50F3CF08FF54

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@MattR awesome buy! Look at that tin shine! And that 225E looks to be in fantastic shape! Any idea if the set originally came with two of the 2700(I believe) gondolas?

The rolling stock, since it has postwar trucks, would be great to use with a modern steamer, too. And since there’s two of the same gondolas, you could make a nice transition car to connect with prewar rolling stock with prewaaf couplers. My transition car is a beat up prewar  2654 Shell tanker that has a pOstwar staple end knuckle coupler truck on one end and a late prewar truck w/ black journals & box coupler on the other end. It was that way when I received it. I had to get the first coil knuckle-coupler replaced as the shoe caused the coupler to uncouple. Regardless, the combo of the late prewar box coupler with early postwar knuckle-coupler,!, IMO, trucks don’t look mismatched.

Regardless, congrats on the pick-up! Enjoy!

@scott.smith that is really something, man! What a great idea and they look great! I admire anyone who can make decent sky scrapers in general, making tinplate skyscrapers that can fit in with prewar trains and accessories takes it up a notch! Great work!

@Robert S. Butler Love those modern Marx boxcars! To be honest, prior to reading your post and having looked at the pictures, I didn’t even notice that the CP car’s lithography was applied incorrectly! It just thought it was a CP Box car as the tones of the colors are so dark and Marx lithography is so fanciful- just thought it was a normal Modern Marx Box car. Sometimes I’ll show family members a frame, body or “junker” I bought and they look at it funny until I explain the possible uses for it. It’s great when you can take advantage of trains, parts, etc... acquired over time and “turn garbAge into gold”(obviously I’m not calling the bodies, the Christmas car or the frames garbAge!). Your modern adaptation of the Issmayer concept is even better. Also reminds me of the HWN “2 in 1” Passenger/freight train with removable and interchangeable  bodies with lithographed frames(IE remove the Santa Fe body to reveal a litho log car frame). Great studf!

@StevefromPA posted:

@MattR awesome buy! Look at that tin shine! And that 225E looks to be in fantastic shape! Any idea if the set originally came with two of the 2700(I believe) gondolas?

The rolling stock, since it has postwar trucks, would be great to use with a modern steamer, too. And since there’s two of the same gondolas, you could make a nice transition car to connect with prewar rolling stock with prewaaf couplers. My transition car is a beat up prewar  2654 Shell tanker that has a pOstwar staple end knuckle coupler truck on one end and a late prewar truck w/ black journals & box coupler on the other end. It was that way when I received it. I had to get the first coil knuckle-coupler replaced as the shoe caused the coupler to uncouple. Regardless, the combo of the late prewar box coupler with early postwar knuckle-coupler,!, IMO, trucks don’t look mismatched.

Regardless, congrats on the pick-up! Enjoy!

Thank you. Yes it is in really nice condition. It looks as though the set number was 269 w. It is an original set and it did originally come with the 165 crane as well. Which I have along with the original little metal scrap load material. I'm a post where guy, so the post-war trucks were a little bit of a selling point for me as well. Thanks again

StevefromPa: Great Marx plastic.  I did some research based on the picture you posted.  It does not look like you had or have a complete set.  The closest I could come was Set #7985 Diesel Freight Set..It included:

a) 588 NYC GE 70-ton switcher in black plastic with light / reverse

b) NYC brown caboose

c) 2532 CSOX tank car - green

All of these are in your picture and the "brown" caboose is more scarce than the red variation, so that leans me towards the fact that this could be set components...your group is missing 1) Crane Car - NYC grey and black 2) Hopper 2913 LV, black and 3) Gondola 347100, PRR, grey.  I would note that none of these 3 cars is particularly scarce and could easily be found.  The set also included 6 telephone poles, a 1239 transformer, and 16 pieces of 0-27 track and a crossover.  The LV switcher also did head up a set, called "The Meteor" but it came with different cars and a LV caboose. The set and was battery powered.  The regular powered 112 LV switcher led set # 2515 with a 3280 SF box car, 75100 green NYC gondola and the LV caboose.  Given most of these cars differ from those you showed, I felt did have a partial set, it was likely the NYC as most of the cars you showed matched.

By the way, if it is not a set do not be concerned. Marx, unlike Lionel or American Flyer, did not rely as much on sets...almost anything in Marx was available for separate sale and you could pick the contents yourself from the shelves at Woolworth or Grants or other 5& dime stores.  They even sold the tenders for their steam locomotives as separate sale items and you could pick the one you liked.  Additionally, it is well known that even with sets, most dealers would substitute a car if you wanted a different one from the one the factory packed.  Unique consists of Marx "sets" show up all the time.

The rest of your post is also really cool.  I have a few Brimtoy freights including a tank car and a flat but no cattle/box cars so I am still looking for one of those.  I really liked the BB electric, I am on the hunt for one of these from Hornby as it was their principal postwar electric engine but so far all the examples I have seen for sale are out of my price range.

Thanks for posting your plastic Marx...it makes me feel less guilty when I post mine !!!

Regards

Don

@Don McErlean  found a couple of BB's on ePay France at good prices .. might pay you to contact seller ... I have never bought from him or dealt with him on any level  , but he has a couple for Buy it Now 45 and 50 euro !

Cant hurt to message him ?

Quite a few if you search in France rather than UK

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(Sorry if this violates any terms Don doesnt have an email in his profile lol )

Fatman:  Thank you for the French E-bay idea, never realized that such an opportunity existed.  I am trying it already.

Thanks again

Don

Hello Don,

Take care, the roof on the first one is not original, the top center part is not good. And the second one is just a little better... They are very common models to find in France and not expensive at all, just have to take some time to find a really good one in the 50 euros range.

The major problem is postage which is near the same price as the loco...

Very best, Daniel

I picked up this American Flyer UP streamliner set today locally. The e-unit operates smoothly and just a little cleaning needs to be done before it goes on the track. I believe it is from 1938 due to the lighter yellow, green window shades on the coach\observation cars, and the black XIIId style trucks. The third picture is of my 1936 power unit to show the color difference. I am a bit confused though, shouldn't it have at least one more 1636 coach? The stack on top has some crazing but is solid. You can see the screw hole used to mount the whistle assembly on earlier models below the porthole windows on the power unit.



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Just came this week...

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I have one of the Mazda lamp cars. Should have bought 2.

Great Cars!

Joe Gozzo

@Jon Edwards posted:

I picked up this American Flyer UP streamliner set today locally. The e-unit operates smoothly and just a little cleaning needs to be done before it goes on the track. I believe it is from 1938 due to the lighter yellow, green window shades on the coach\observation cars, and the black XIIId style trucks. The third picture is of my 1936 power unit to show the color difference. I am a bit confused though, shouldn't it have at least one more 1636 coach? The stack on top has some crazing but is solid. You can see the screw hole used to mount the whistle assembly on earlier models below the porthole windows on the power unit.



Great Looking Streamliner Jon!

Joe Gozzo

@Jon Edwards posted:

I picked up this American Flyer UP streamliner set today locally. The e-unit operates smoothly and just a little cleaning needs to be done before it goes on the track. I believe it is from 1938 due to the lighter yellow, green window shades on the coach\observation cars, and the black XIIId style trucks. The third picture is of my 1936 power unit to show the color difference. I am a bit confused though, shouldn't it have at least one more 1636 coach? The stack on top has some crazing but is solid. You can see the screw hole used to mount the whistle assembly on earlier models below the porthole windows on the power unit.



Jon,

The late Union Pacific set should have 2 additional coaches.  Also the hole in the side of the motor shell is for a weight, not a whistle.  The whistles were mounted in the first coach of the 1936 set only, with no other sets featuring a whistle. 

NWL

Jon,

The late Union Pacific set should have 2 additional coaches.  Also the hole in the side of the motor shell is for a weight, not a whistle.  The whistles were mounted in the first coach of the 1936 set only, with no other sets featuring a whistle.

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Whoops, sorry, I was thinking of the Lionel 636w city of Denver which has the whistle in the power unit. I knew it was missing a coach, I guess I'll be keeping an eye out for two .

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Here is what the little red, white, and blue truck brought this week. A bing 0-35, a kbn I think 0-4-0, unknown telegraph poles, a lionel frisco boxcar, cream color, and a decent flyer silver and green tank car. Not bad for a weeks work. I obviously haven't figured out exactly what I am collecting yet.

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There is no Bing locomotive. The first is a Karl Bub (KBN) No 640, made 1910-1924.

The second is a Karl Bub No 2213 L for 18 Volts or a No 2723 L for high current.



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@pd that’s a really cool cut out shed! On my first look I thought “wow haven’t seen this tinplate work shed yet”. Then I read the post, even after a few more looks- still tough to believe it was cut out from a magazine!

@Craignor love the work train set you put together- great consist led by one coool puffin engine! Also, very nice accessories on the tinplate layout- just saw a version of that platform yesterday, that’s a beaut. Also, much love for that brick depot in your layout in the back

This post excludes some tin I have coming in the mail or pick ups from yesterday’s (Saturday’s) meet at Renninger’s.

Picked up these 3 AC Gilbert Tru-Model 3/16 AF o gauge on eBay. Already have one of the sand cars of this size which is in better shape, it’s interesting to see how they were constructed differently but as I read in a recent article, at this point in production they were just using what they had to get cars out. Uniformity in construction wasn’t a luxury in the late 30s/ early 40s depression and transition to war time production. The 481 crane car and 472 flat with vehicle(sans Tootsie toy) are the new additions!

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Also shown in 1st and 3rd pics above is my new Bing Watch Tower w/ stairs, a base, and a GBN Bavaria logo

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Absolutely love the watchtower, seen more up close on the layout below. But of all the tin I’ve bought recently, maybe due to my age,this modern Marx, or “Line Mar” Y2K mobile power unit is my absolute favorite!

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heck out the generator inside the wonderfully lithographed car, and a front view of the Bing watch tower with an MP Manning it979E31C9-B2DB-4A89-9BA5-6DDF0E14A549

Last,but certainly not least is this original Marx 7” State of Maine Box car .

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The PRR Merchandise Service had been my only Marx 7 inch car up to this point. I’ve always liked tin Marx most of all- 6 inch and 3/16 w/ original(low style) trucks are tied for my favorite, 7” my 2nd favorite , and then the rest. That said, while I’ve always wanted the 6 inch version of the Merchandise service,  the  7” “boxy” style looks great on the  BaR State of Maine and I’m content with it....not that I wouldn’t pass up a 6 inch for the right price

If anyone has advice on what type of car would fit on the AF 472 please let me know! I have a ton of old tootsie and midget toys from the late 30s to early 50s, but figured I’d solicit advice here before digging them out. More to come this week! Enjoy and keep the tin coming!

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I bought an Ives 189 Observation car on EBay, and it was delivered today.

This car completes my wife’s late Grandfather’s set that he had owned since he was a boy, and passed down to me. The complete set is exactly 100 years old this year, officially an antique.

I have been searching for years for this car, and am very very happy with the overall condition of the new addition.



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Here are some additional pics of the KBN 640 I received last week, I already had one, but this one IMG_20210517_095835IMG_20210517_095845IMG_20210517_101211IMG_20210517_101219IMG_20210517_101227was in far better shape. The first two pics show it as received, the rest show it with a headlamp, unbroken buffer and cowcatcher installed. The cowcatcher is removeable so you can run it how you like. Looks a bit odd with cowcatcher and buffers tho.

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@Craignor posted:

I bought an Ives 189 Observation car on EBay, and it was delivered today.

This car completes my wife’s late Grandfather’s set that he had owned since he was a boy, and passed down to me. The complete set is about exactly 100 years old this year.

I have been searching for years for this car, and am very very happy with the overall condition of the new addition.



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It's nice to hear that your wife's late grandfather's set is being used and treasured by someone who appreciates it. This is not always possible when passing on treasured possessions.

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It's nice to hear that your wife's late grandfather's set is being used and treasured by someone who appreciates it. This is not always possible when passing on treasured possessions.

Thanks O Gauge Guy,

I plan on taking it out to a few SGMA shows when we reopen later this year and running it for the public to see. Don’t want to “hide my light under a bushel.”

Grandfather Harry would be so tickled to see this set running again (dead short when I received it, the motor needed to be rewound), and the addition of the Observation car. No doubt Harry is watching from above.

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One of my long-term projects is a Karl Bub elevated railway.

My template is a picture from the Ullmann & Engelmann catalog 1910.

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I made them with 2 straight rail, so I need 8 posts. The baseplates are old Bub parts from buffers and others.

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The station.  Used a few old Bub parts, the railing on the station was a part of a bridge, the railing on the stairway was a lamp post and the post was part of a fence.

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Great pictures all.  Arnie, your craftsmanship in re-creating things of the distant past is just unbelievable.  WOW!  Scott- great sky scraper and neat 1835...your right I have never seen one of those come up for sale. Craig"- what a pleasure to see that century old Ives set run again.  Your patience and effort to bring back your Grandfather's set is just great and it sure looks good running again.  Trainweck99 the KBN loco with the "removable" cow catcher is really unique, shows how important the US market was to the early German toy makers.

Steve from PA...Here is that Marx 6" PRR "Merchandise Service" boxcar that you mentioned you liked...and its principal competitor, the NYC, "Pacemaker" Freight Service box car.   I will admit, I had never seen anything like the "Millennium Recovery Authority" modern Marx car, what a lithograph scheme on that one, what a beauty.  I do remember the Y2K nonsense, I worked as an engineer in Naval aviation at that time and we had visions of aircraft falling out of the sky etc.  Nothing happened...thank goodness.

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Great pictures everyone.  Thanks for posting

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@Don McErlean  Thank you for posting the pics of the 6 inch Merchandise service and Pacemaker! While I love the Meechandise, as previously stated, I really like your Pacemaker with the opening door! Very cool! I happen to have a Pacemaker 3/16 scale but it came with the “big(type D?)” trucks. I took them off and want to replace them with the original 3/16 trucks. I bought some online before but can’t remember if it was ebay or a store-Anyone know of a source?

the litho colors on the Y2K Millinium Recovery authority are definitely something else. What really ties it together are the indicators/words on the car-“Mobile Power Unit”,”stand clear generating equipment” , they really elevate It from something that would be rather gaudy into something a neat train. A train that might just imply, “Tinplate trains and Marx toys return in the New millenium as modern electronics fail”! I have another somewhat outlandish color scheme item coming tomorrow, hopefully!😁

WOW Arne! Fantastic Elevated Railway! The elevated rail sets, in general, have always appealed to me(and I imagine a great many others who post in tinplate). The really cool things is that you used Bub parts to make your Own Bub elevated railway- top notch, sir.

Steve- love those milk cars! While I’m not familiar with Broguirre’s dairy- the script and logo are super crisp. If someone masses produced such a car like that I’d buy it- doubly so if said Borden’s on it! I can’t tell what gauge are those cars?

I don’t have pics yet of all my tin pick-ups in the last 2 weeks, but here are two of my favorites:

You may recall a few weeks ago I scored the Ives 1709 Box car- last weekend at the Renninger’s trains show I picked up the 1708 Stock car-Completing my Ives 1700 large freight series!

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Next on my transition era list are the 600 and 500 series, sans the stock cars unless by God’s grace I’d somehow find one prices south of 200.

Got this next one off eBay for what I believe to be a very reasonable price. Bing drive model Water Wheel/mill Supposed to be run via a steam engine, apparently the hammer on it works. Fits right in with Bing’s other litho buildings and looks nice in open areas. One GBN logo and on bottom of the mill house it says dep. GBN

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wheel on the back to spin manually

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@Don McErlean I didn’t realize that the 1708 was that scarce- just knew that the 1708 and the 1709 Box car were harder to find then the gondola and caboose. I believe I paid less for it than the Box car and within $10 of what I paid for the other two- end of a train show Steel for $40 I guess!! Both ladders and all but one journal are intact.

ok, @Robert S. Butler what’s the story on your Millenium power car?!?! THe noticeable differences between yours and mine are the two axles/4 wheels vs 2 axle/4 wheel trucks, the door on the Box car is completely different: Orange with stripes vs Yellow, “NH” at the bottom vs the Y2K script, no port hole windows, and it has “7691” on it- does that match the number on the car?

Then we have the insides- while those look like gold bars and I do agree that toy trains are priceless- I believe it may actually be a different  play on a post Y2K world- instead of it being hoarded gold- it might be something “darker” and in line with the theme of “power”. It obviously isn’t referring to carats(abbreviated ct and representing the weight of gold- I’ll get to Karats after this spiel ha). I believe they may represent some type of power source measured in Kilotons, i.e. explosives or something that yields 24 Kilotons(for comparison the bomb dropped on Hiroshima was 15 KT). I actually counted the number of blocks in your car, I noticed 23 on the side shown which would equal 1080 KT(1.08 megatons).  That said, the “KT” is next to the 24, no spacing, which is the proper way to  indicate Karats of gold(Karats representing purity)- in your car the number is right next to the unit of measurement. On the other hand, 24 Karats should be expressed with a lowercase t- as in “24Kt” and 24 Kilotons would be written as “24 KT” with a space but both capital as they are in your car. What to do what to do!!

Regardless, both of the above mentioned ideas fit the post Y2K apocalypse world, and it’s really cool to know that there’s another Mobile Power Unit out there! look forward to hearing the backstory!!

Why didnt’t I just google before writing that essay😔. New Marx made a series of Y2K cars:

2001-C.R.I.&P. Millenium Recovery Authority Groceries & Sundries car

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2003- Millenium Recovery Authority Line Mar Power & Light

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I said I had some more tin to post- here we go!

I’ll start with my favorite and most recent:

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How about that lithography! According the Flynns, it’s a production sample that was made for a GE meeting in 1993(hence the corporate slogans)

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As a production sample, it was just a frame for 7 inch cars. Luckily I had a car which I didn’t mind using for this

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I’m sure most don’t, but I sure do love those colors- screams early 90s! Not sure if I like this or the Y2K car more!

Moving on to some Prewar Flyer. Red 1122 Combine car to pair with the 1123 coach which I already had

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Also purchased with the above is the 311267(?) PRR hopper in the background in the pic below. The Marx 3/16 Nickel Plate Gondola was acquired  at a recent train show. Modified it by adding a tilt formed coupler w/ a slot. FA695200-1AC2-44FD-83D8-4E4F77C8810A

bought the beautiful  UP Challenger(above) AWHILE ago, it’s been sitting “trickles” after coming with the wrong trucks. Yesterday, finally fixed it added a Marx 3/16 truck w/ a t/s coupler and a Prewar A/F truck with link coupler. Makes for a nice transition!

Change of pace here, the two pics below are of what I believe to be my maternal Grandfather’s first trainset. He passed Away in 93 when I was about two. I always thought his only trains his Lionel set, but was pleasantly surprised to find this set(and more) in the boxes he had

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Besides the 999, which I believe headed this set, all the cars are in great shape. The 999 is missing it’s front wheels and motor. Sometime in the 70s I assume he replaced it with a diecast Lionel 8204

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Of all the cars, the PRR Box car is my favorite. On that note- I offer up this a weekend tribute to the box cars by Marx, Prewar Flyer 3/16 O gauge, and New Marx!

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Hope you enjoyed! I loved running the consist in the foreground behind a NYC 588 switcher this morning!  Keep the tin rattling those rails!

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@StevefromPA posted:

I said I had some more tin to post- here we go!

I’ll start with my favorite and most recent:

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How about that lithography! According the Flynns, it’s a production sample that was made for a GE meeting in 1993(hence the corporate slogans)

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As a production sample, it was just a frame for 7 inch cars. Luckily I had a car which I didn’t mind using for this

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I’m sure most don’t, but I sure do love those colors- screams early 90s! Not sure if I like this or the Y2K car more!

Moving on to some Prewar Flyer. Red 1122 Combine car to pair with the 1123 coach which I already had

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Also purchased with the above is the 311267(?) PRR hopper in the background in the pic below. The Marx 3/16 Nickel Plate Gondola was acquired  at a recent train show. Modified it by adding a tilt formed coupler w/ a slot. FA695200-1AC2-44FD-83D8-4E4F77C8810A

bought the beautiful  UP Challenger(above) AWHILE ago, it’s been sitting “trickles” after coming with the wrong trucks. Yesterday, finally fixed it added a Marx 3/16 truck w/ a t/s coupler and a Prewar A/F truck with link coupler. Makes for a nice transition!

Change of pace here, the two pics below are of what I believe to be my maternal Grandfather’s first trainset. He passed Away in 93 when I was about two. I always thought his only trains his Lionel set, but was pleasantly surprised to find this set(and more) in the boxes he had

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Besides the 999, which I believe headed this set, all the cars are in great shape. The 999 is missing it’s front wheels and motor. Sometime in the 70s I assume he replaced it with a diecast Lionel 8204

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Of all the cars, the PRR Box car is my favorite. On that note- I offer up this a weekend tribute to the box cars by Marx, Prewar Flyer 3/16 O gauge, and New Marx!

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Hope you enjoyed! I loved running the consist in the foreground behind a NYC 588 switcher this morning!  Keep the tin rattling those rails!

There were 2 styles of GE cars. Yours has the old time type shell. The other version was a 3/16 scale boxcar shell.

Steve

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@Don McErlean  Thank you for posting the pics of the 6 inch Merchandise service and Pacemaker! While I love the Meechandise, as previously stated, I really like your Pacemaker with the opening door! Very cool! I happen to have a Pacemaker 3/16 scale but it came with the “big(type D?)” trucks. I took them off and want to replace them with the original 3/16 trucks. I bought some online before but can’t remember if it was ebay or a store-Anyone know of a source?

the litho colors on the Y2K Millinium Recovery authority are definitely something else. What really ties it together are the indicators/words on the car-“Mobile Power Unit”,”stand clear generating equipment” , they really elevate It from something that would be rather gaudy into something a neat train. A train that might just imply, “Tinplate trains and Marx toys return in the New millenium as modern electronics fail”! I have another somewhat outlandish color scheme item coming tomorrow, hopefully!😁

WOW Arne! Fantastic Elevated Railway! The elevated rail sets, in general, have always appealed to me(and I imagine a great many others who post in tinplate). The really cool things is that you used Bub parts to make your Own Bub elevated railway- top notch, sir.

Steve- love those milk cars! While I’m not familiar with Broguirre’s dairy- the script and logo are super crisp. If someone masses produced such a car like that I’d buy it- doubly so if said Borden’s on it! I can’t tell what gauge are those cars?

Broguirres is the last dairy left in the LA area. They are in Montebello. They no longer have cows due to city ordinances but import bulk milk then process it on site.

The TCA Western Division Convention Car is a flatcar from Menards and 2 Divco Broguirres milk trucks. Really nice.

Steve

StevefromPA - I bought the car from the Flynn's when they were selling a lot of their New Marx prototype cars back in 2008. Here's what they had to say about that car.

  "Marx O-gauge tin lithographed car new, unused from Marx Trains archives collection. Production sample 7603 Line Mar power car, made 1999 for Y2K set. Unsure if mistake or mockup as it has orange 7691 doors instead of Y2K & has gold bullion inside instead of generator.  Who knows, with the price of utilities these days maybe it was a premonition of things to come!$$$$"

  The car has some markings on the underside as well.

Need some help with identification

  A number of years ago I purchased the freight shed illustrated below.  The station has no embossed or rubber stamped manufacturer identification. At the time the seller indicated the manufacturer was Carette. In the years since that purchase I have seen a few examples of this shed show up either at auction or at a train show.  The various sellers have identified the shed as having been made by a number of different manufacturers.

   Over the years since its purchase I have managed to get reference books for Fandor, Carette, Bing, JEP, and others.  These references don't cover every year of production, however, none of the illustrations of offered freight sheds in the books I do have match this station.

  It is very well made and, in addition to the main freight door there is a large side door (note the handle over on the right end) which opens.  I think the station was made for a reasonably long period of time.  I say this because the station comes with several paint schemes.  This one is the most elaborate I've seen,  On others the extra highlighting of the brick is missing and other aspects of the painting have been simplified.

  I would really like to know who made this station so if any of you happen to have a reference that identifies and pictures this station I would really appreciate it if you would post that information.

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That is a good question Robert. It is a generic freight station and made by several manufacturers, Bing and Kraus are the most near the answer I think.  They are not uncommon pieces and there is several color variations. The bing one is supposed to have an opening door on it's side.

Here is a similar one I have, no mark anywhere also and more simple than yours. I have thought Bing during  a long time but would also be happy to learn more. Maybe our friend from Germany, Arne will have the correct answer.

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Well, I cannot compare with Daniel and Arnie and their Bing/Carette accessories but here is something that might be a little unique.  I saw this fellow, all alone at auction for a very reasonable price and could not resist.  I have been "collecting" signals of various types recently and this little fellow just needed a new home with friends of his kind.  He is somewhat of a mystery, although I am sure some others on this thread will be able to ID his manufacturer.  Unlike the American Flyer signals I have posted recently this guy has a square, cast base vice the round dish stamped base.  However the rest of him looks much like the AF semaphores I have collected.  I suspect he is also missing his "hat" the top piece at the top of the mast but I don't have any way to verify this.  The mast and base are brown and do not appear repainted while the "flags" are lithographed sheet steel and fastened to the mast with a single rivet.  The presence of a second hole in the flags near the "lights" suggests he may have had a link mechanism at one time as well.  Anyway here he is:

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Best wishes everyone...good hunting!

Don

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Well, I cannot compare with Daniel and Arnie and their Bing/Carette accessories but here is something that might be a little unique.  I saw this fellow, all alone at auction for a very reasonable price and could not resist.  I have been "collecting" signals of various types recently and this little fellow just needed a new home with friends of his kind.  He is somewhat of a mystery, although I am sure some others on this thread will be able to ID his manufacturer.  Unlike the American Flyer signals I have posted recently this guy has a square, cast base vice the round dish stamped base.  However the rest of him looks much like the AF semaphores I have collected.  I suspect he is also missing his "hat" the top piece at the top of the mast but I don't have any way to verify this.  The mast and base are brown and do not appear repainted while the "flags" are lithographed sheet steel and fastened to the mast with a single rivet.  The presence of a second hole in the flags near the "lights" suggests he may have had a link mechanism at one time as well.  Anyway here he is:

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Best wishes everyone...good hunting!

Don

Probably made by Fergussen for Ives.

Steve

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  I recently managed to get the earliest version of the 4 wheel Bing Kalkwagen. This version is hand painted complete with lime dust weathering and has both operating roof hatches and side doors.

   So now I have a lineup - embossed and hand painted with operating roof hatches and side doors, embossed and hand painted with operating roof hatches only, no embossing, lithographed car with operating roof hatches...and in every case - lime dust weathering.

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@Don McErlean that’s a nice Fergusson semaphore with a decent base- I’m used to seeing them with the simple cylindrical metal bars that form a circle- very cool.

@Robert S. Butler that’s an awesome achievement to have completed that beautiful Kallwagen- handpainted cars are works of art as someone and I discussed at a train show today.

I’ll continue with the Euro theme in this post. Here are some later Bing cars I bought recently:

Got this PRR off eBay- immaculate condition

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from today’s train show a Tucherbier car. Please note I bought this as a historical piece and is something I never saw before- I do realize it is controversial. From what I learned today, the symbols on the Bing freight wagons were meant to inform the buyer what type of goods that the wagon carried- with the exception of the English market.2DDD7A21-DE2A-4F4C-B0AB-1B1692554C96image

also picked up this book! Very happy to have obtained it, what a great reference. It proved its use within the first 10min of browsing through it!100B56C9-91B9-4E91-8868-62B83D3E5A32

more to come!

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As for American Tinplate purchased today- I never, ever would’ve thought that I’d come away with what I did:

two weeks ago I completed the 1700 series of 4 Ives freight cars, i quipped how I wanted to get the 1600 and 1500 series next with the exception of the stock car due to the price. Wouldn’t you know it, within the first 25min of the show and for a buck and a dime- I walked away with...

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had to buy the Box car and caboose too, as it was a set. I just can’t believe I was able to score this set- I love it.

A seller whom I recognized sold me this LIonel 248 Box Cab at a fantastic discount. Runs beautifully and is in pretty good shape although the “Lionel” is fading away

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Samemeet, two years ago, I skipped on a 1651E Lionel Ives Lines Box cab electric- an engine that I’ve always wanted. Been kicking myself ever since. Well , Same seller had it this time around and we worked out a deal. 1048765D-0DB2-46EB-92AC-ECAC8844FDD7

Frame is in great shape. Body has some scratches. Anyway, love this buy. Plus- it’ll look nice heading my 1600 freights!

plate on the bottom, as you can see it’s missing a shoe

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My new boxcabs

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Between these and other things I bought, most likely my most successful show ever!

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Well here is the latest addition to my layout which is a sort of kit bash / purchase / make kind of item that I think is worthy of noting.

This is a Weeden Model 702 Steam Engine from the 1930's which I bought at a flea market.  But what does one do with such an item when it was clearly missing stuff.

I kit bashed the Weeden to turn it into an operating accessory "Steam Generator"!!  First, it was missing the Stack.  A bottle of Hotel Shampoo was re-purposed for the stack and painted black.... a perfect fit.  Then I attached a Mabuchi motor and ran solid core wires to it to simulate conduit going to the motor.  And contemplating it further I decided to add a light bulb to the unit.  On the Layout it is powered with a DC power supply and a variable potentiometer.  Turn the knob and it comes on, turn it up higher and the bulb gets brighter, just like a generator should!  Alas, it runs a little faster than I had hoped, despite putting a larger pulley on the "driven" sprocket.... looking to kit-bash it a little further with a lower rpm motor that I can scavenge from somewhere.

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Looks brilliant, Paul. An innovative, repurposing of an old piece, made to look like it fits right in. That's great.

Here, nothing so sharp. In the process of getting the layout repowered and cleaned up, I came to the realization that two-thirds of the collection rarely, if ever, sees any track-time, with much of it packed away in plastic tubs. Finally decided to cut way back on the random acquisitions and focus instead on completing a few sets. I'm sure some odds-n-ends will still find their way home, but for now, there's a bit of focus.

Along those lines, picked up this Flyer 411 for a late 1930s set I've had for a few years, sans caboose:

Needs some polishing to remove some label or tape residue, but otherwise seems suitable.

PD

I found a used Trackman SG-2000 for sale and snapped it up. These track cleaning cars were made in most popular gauges around the year 2000, they made them for several years than a fire burned down their factory, and the founder passed away.

I like these because it uses no fluids,  just a solid heavy steel plate, with adjustable pressure on both ends, and a easy to replace welding pad to scrub the railhead, with no messy or flammable fluids. I had one in O gauge and it worked very well. I forgot they made a standard gauge version. I am running this with 200 series cars, and the latch coupler height is perfect.

Here is a picture, and a movie. I added it to the work train, so the work train is doing real work now.

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I believe they are Hafner.  Here's a picture of the contents of the Hafner #1100 Station set.  The only difference I see is your warning sign looks to be embossed brass and not painted.

Addendum: A check of some of my Hafner references indicates the warning sign was also made with black letters on a gilt background which may be what you have.  The estimated timeline for the accessories would be late 1920's to mid-1930's.  I do have one reference which is a reprint of Hafner catalog from 1924-1926 and the accessories illustrated in catalog are Bing items so "late" 1920's would probably mean 1928 or later.

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Here's a 'wish I owned it' - this was hand made probably in the late 30's or so, all brass soldered construction, uses 2 Ives electric motors, he built the extended mechanisms using 3rd unpowered axles. Wiring was shot, parts missing, needed pilots and most of all the two lead trucks that I 3D printed as smaller versions of my GG1 parts.  Windows all slide open and had levers to raise the pantographs. Hand painted lettering. A pretty good model of the New Haven EP3 box cab from that era. I don't usually do repairs, but a good customer and when I saw it, I just had to bring it to life.



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Steve from PA: The McGinness (Red/white/black) New Haven 'EP3' (missing a pair of axles), is one I did a couple of years ago from a basket case McCoy E2 Cascade. Closed up most of the gills on the sides, replaced the second roof with the air tanks and center blister, printed new headlights, cut out the areas around the front truck and added side frames to the sad 'clowney' McCoy trucks. Printed sets of side frames for the drivers using parts of a GG1 CAD model I had (and later used for my own scale size standard gauge GG1). And made the lettering on a vinyl cutter.

Kind of sounds like a sewing machine but runs nice.  One of a kind.

Jim

I humbly acknowledge that I don't have the restoration skills of a Don Kelly or those like him. This Hafner set was given to me by a customer of my daughter Angela. It is the Hafner Overland Flyer set circa 1933. This set sold for a grand total of $3.00 and came with a figure eight of track in those depression years. Some light cleaning, lube and a slight tune up and she runs as well as she did 88 years ago...20210618_19423820210618_194259

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Jim,

Yes, I won the work caboose and dump car seen above from the Cabin Fever auction. And in the first MTH auction at Cabin Fever I got the black 400e also seen in my video above, and a flat car with lumber.  All four items I won were received in new or like new condition and in good working order. I got them all at a good discount to what I see currently on EBay and elsewhere. I picked them all up in person.

I was impressed with Cabin Fever’s online auction format, and the ease of scheduling a day and time online to pick them up.

Cabin Fever was a good experience.

Best,

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I humbly acknowledge that I don't have the restoration skills of a Don Kelly or those like him. This Hafner set was given to me by a customer of my daughter Angela. It is the Hafner Overland Flyer set circa 1933. This set sold for a grand total of $3.00 and came with a figure eight of track in those depression years. Some light cleaning, lube and a slight tune up and she runs as well as she did 88 years ago...20210618_19423820210618_194259

A nice little set for sure, Gandy. The fact that it has survived some ninety years is tribute to those who made it and those that owned and cared for it. I like to think that some kid enjoyed having this, given by parents or grandparents using funds drawn from a tight supply during difficult times.

The low-end sets are some of the most difficult to find in nice shape. They just weren't made to last decades. Someone treasured it and took care of it, as will you.

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Found a 226E at an antique store in NY on the way home from business trip.  Have not had a chance to clean it and go through it yet as I just got home last night and will be heading back out next week I think.  But it will be a decent loco. Got it for 20% off that tag price.  Not a great deal and I did not really need it... but you know....

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Found a 226E at an antique store in NY on the way home from business trip.  Have not had a chance to clean it and go through it yet as I just got home last night and will be heading back out next week I think.  But it will be a decent loco. Got it for 10% off that tag price.  Not a great deal and I did not really need it... but you know....

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Dennis,

  Nice purchase. Thanks for sharing. It would be interesting if it runs before any thorough cleaning--that would be a bonus, right there.

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Found a 226E at an antique store in NY on the way home from business trip.  Have not had a chance to clean it and go through it yet as I just got home last night and will be heading back out next week I think.  But it will be a decent loco. Got it for 10% off that tag price.  Not a great deal and I did not really need it... but you know....

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I don't think you did bad on that price at all

Reviving 1930s Lionel 238 Streamlined Torpedo Locomotive and Tender

I have owed a Lionel 238, Loewy’s 1936 designed, torpedo streamlined body and old style metal coal tender for several years, origin unknown.  It needed a motor and I found an old Marx four wheel one from a Marx 999 that seemed to work and fit.  The Marx motor did not have the mount and two front wheels like the 999 does.

I have looked into adding a pair of wheels on the front and on the rear to make a 2-4-2 but could not come up with a something that would work but believe if I can find as mount and set of wheels from a 999 they would work.  They can be added later so for now I am going with a 0-4-0, which will run with no derailments of front or rear wheels.

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I painted the engine and tender with flat darkesh gray spray primer and then covered all with clear glossy paint.  A small metal strip was labeled with L I O N E L letters and sprayed with clear.  This was installed were the original engine had a strip labeled Pennsylvania.  I decaled the engine and tender as Pennsylvania and used the side strip to show Lionel as the manufacturer not the fictitious Lionel Lines as Lionel had done.  The decals were sprayed with clear glossy paint to seal them on.

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This is my tinplate train, with Marx tin plate cars,  being pulled with the new to me Lionel 0-4-0 Torpedo stream lined steam locomotive.  This is an easy pull with the low powered Marx 999 style motor in the Torpedo.

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This was a fun project and is my first Torpedo Locomotive.  I now have a late 1930s streamlined torpedo loco and tender.

Charlie

Starting with 'Buy Anything Cool Lately", I believe I hit on something really neat.  I found a store with a bunch of tin, Standard gauge and O gauge, mostly old stuff but some new.  I run prewar and post war with 031 curves, so I stuck with O gauge.  I have always liked the bright colors, but held back because they were so large...But then I discovered prewar Oh Two Seven Lionel tin!  Perfect size for me and I love it.  I started buying tin recently because I think they will be great around the Christmas tree and I hit bargain prices.  Here are a few shots - the O27 sits in front of the much two large red passenger cars.  Notice my bonus item, which the wife hates (ah ha!).  So much more - wish you were all local to me20210701_121013

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@Choo Choo Charlie  What a nice job customizing the 236 torpedo shell with the Marx motor.  These Marx 4 wheel motors are really great for that sort of operation.  I have 3 Hornby type 1 tank engines from the 1950's that were converted from clockwork to electric with the installation of the same motor...they run great.

  @Chuck242 : I noted that most of your tinplate cars are the "600" series, the printed liveries like your 655 box car are later versions than the ones with the add on number plates, but the cars are mostly the same. The couplers changed several times during the period of their production, but most of them are compatible with each other.  These cars were produced from 1935 to 1942 when the war stopped toy production.   I also run them and enjoy them.  Your  big 712 passenger cars came in red (like yours) , orange (Lionel Lines, NYC, and IC) and 2 tone blue .  The IC orange and 2-tone blue are a king's ransom, I have the NYC orange and they were modest in price.  These were typically pulled with large electric outline locomotives, like the 256 which is as large as the standard gauge #8 and was Lionel's only 2 motor O gauge locomotive until the 1948 F-3's came out. Yours look in really nice condition and are really good looking.  Here is my 256 and orange 712's just for your reference.

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Chuck, beautiful lantern by the way and the stamped ATSF is a real bonus.  Welcome to the wild and wonderful world of tinplate.

Best wishes

Don

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I posted this one in the tinplate photo thread earier , but seeing as tho Chuck brought up Lamps

A LNER Interior signal lamp I scored recently ... this is the unit pre-electrification which was lit and placed into the signal which then shone thru coloured glass on the signal arm to indicate track state ...



( I wonder if @Chuck242 's wife would like this one lol )

Wow @Fatman that is uber cool!! Thank you for sharing. I always find it fascinating when able to trace the history of something- in this case modern, electric RR signals that change color- back to a lit signal lamp which used glass to show the color. Exquisite and awesome pick-up, man.

Not the same thing, but at the last train show I went to, as my father and I were leaving, I noticed a gentleman with a large, wooden cube like object with a small mfg. plate on it, glass that took up at least on side, and upon closer inspection mini-drawers. Turns out, I might be getting the facts wrong but the general Just is correct, it was produced by Lionel during WW1 aNd used by the Navy. He explained it’s the earlier type because of this small drawer that opened in which they’d use whale fat to light it.

Posted this in my “help ID this loco” thread, but wanted to share it here too. I’m super backlogged in things I’ve been wanting to share with everyone so here’s a start of my most recent- about which I am SUPER EXCITED!! This is my first Prewar, European electrically powered loco- and it works!!New in the pics below- the Heinrich Fischer switch tower(got it a few weeks ago), Loco and tender

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Got it off the auction site. Seller had it listed as “Bub NOT BING...” loco & Tender which has letters that didn’t look like KBN, CBN, and said England underneath. Ended up getting it cheap, I assume due to the lack of markings on the loco and mismatched Tender made by a different mfg. that clearly didn’t have the expected embossed lettering.

Anyway, thanks to rdigilio and Fatman, they identified the Loco and tender.

Loco is a late 20s Bub 2410LT Electric Locomotive and the Tender is a Hornby from 1922-1930ish.

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I do have some questions- do the parts look original? Did Bub use a pick-up roller in the 1920’s?  Also, it appears to have gauze brushes. Here’s a picture of the underside(pics of gears and brushplate are attached to this post)

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Finally- a video of my first electrically powered  European Loco running a Small consist of: Hornby tender, Bub 1217 PRR Coach, And Bing 529 Observation

Sorry for the long post but as I said- so darn happy!! Any help is appreciated regarding the questions. Keep the tin coming!



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Hi Folks,

Some of you may remember that about three months ago, I posted a question asking what would be a good filler for tinplate gondolas and hoppers. I got lots of good answers, ranging from hard candy to aquarium gravel.   I decided to go for the colored aquarium gravel and went to Walmart to get some in their Pets section.

I was going to buy a bag, but was very surprised at how heavy the gravel was.  Too heavy for a long train of cars.

But, right next to it, I found these great "Aqua-Jewels. "   They are made of plastic and really light.   They only cost $1.98 per bag, and a bag only weighs 3.5 ounces.   

Unfortunately, each bag contains a mix of colors, so I had to buy eight bags to sort them into single colors. 

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Just thought I would pass this tip on.

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Hi Tinplate fans...we seem to have fallen somewhat behind in posting, so I thought I would go ahead and post my latest addition.  I purchased 10 Hornby Hatchette freight cars from a seller in France.  Now I know these are NOT Hornby except perhaps in licensed name but being also a Lionel guy I am used to that idea (remember the various "companies" that have been producing Lionel trains since 1969 most especially the General Mills or the Mills Product Company or MPC).  The value of these was just too tempting , real Hornby trains via e-bay are $50-75 per car plus postage and these were 10 car for 12 Euro's or about $15 for ALL 10...Wow $1.50 per car who could pass this up.  They looked nearly new and when I received them they did indeed appear LN.  Here are some pictures

As you can see, the cars are replica's of French Hornby freights, all made between 2002 -2004 and they were given as incentives when you bought a particular hobby magazine.  Imagine, buy a magazine and get a replica Hornby tinplate 0 gauge car with your purchase.  They made quite a line including at least 3 locomotives (all clockwork).

Anyway, real or replica, these will look good behind my Hornby locomotives going around the layout.

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Regards

Don

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Thanks guys. It had a dead short. Turned out it was the drum basically disentigrated and was shorting the fingers. So I have a drawer or original drums and I had to replace four hand rail stantions and had to deep clean it. It was super greasy oily sticky but runs super quiet now. Still need to finish the tender but she’s a winner.

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Nothing wrong with Hachette at all and they are great shelf queens or sometimes runners ! They certainly look the part but just be wary they are a real lightweight tin and can corrode pretty quickly once exposed so keep the paint polished and or protected if they are going to be handled a lot ... case in point is a fine example of a PLM that has been on ePay for quite a while ( which of course the seller has NOT advertised as Hachette, but you can see it is in the photos ) Just do a search for "Hornby PLM " and you will find it ... at first glance you think ... yep thats got wear consistent with age ... but its a LOT less age than you think lol !

The wheels are also oxidising ( and you can see the plastic gearing in the clockwork )

Also spots underneath, where no handling that would have occured, are spot corroding ..

I actually have a Hachette BB locomotive ( Shelf Queen lol ) and a few wagons



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@Don McErlean those are very nice looking cars with a neat backstory being giveaaways when subscribingto a hobby magazine. I remember growing up(early 2000s) and you'd get an action figure with this one magazine. In recent times, and maybe its just the clubs/magazines to which I belong/subscribe, it that incentive received by subscribing has turned into "by subscribing you'll be able to purchase". Regardless, great stuff, Don, thanks for sharing. Those cars are sharp.

@Fatman thanks for the info on Hachette! Saw it recently while on vacation, couldn't quite place it....much appreciated!!

@Dennis Holler happy to see the loco is working!! Love that streak of light blue passenger cars making up your consist!!

I haven't bought anything in awhile but this week I bought a nice original 1930 Lionel Standard Gauge set #387 which has the 384 locomotive and the peacock green 332, 339 and 341 passenger cars. I l like the looks of this loco/car combination which is pictured in the 1930 catalog.

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Here's a long post

First is a variety lot that I got back in July and have wanted to post because he unique cars that came with it. There were 6 cars in the lot(Hafner Black roof/frame Overland flyer not shown)...After that are some other July pickk-ups and early August buys. Got some German tin today but probably won't pst til tomorrow

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Ives 50 series Passener cars- "The Ives Railway Lines" No. 51 Newark(1913-1914). This guy was in the best shape of the bunch. Green frame and green roof

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Two of my favorites(although I love them all ha) Hafner(?) CNW Overland Flyer and Lionel Disney Circus Dining car. The Hafner frame has wear but the body is in really good shape, the dining car's colors have faded a bit and I've cleaned it the best I couldIMG_3967

American Flyer- I believe a Hummer Line "505 Pennsylvania Lines" and a GN RPO that lcks a number, thus I believe it was from a set. Also don't think the roof is original to the carIMG_3968

The Newly Acquired Ives Newark on the left with its predecessor(already had this one)  Ives Pennsylvania Lines No. 51 Newark(1911-1912) on the right. Tough enough to see in person , but the frame on the older one appears to be gray while the newer one is green.IMG_3977

From later in July:

American Flyer 4-wheel LV gondola. As I was born in the LV, I really like this car. Also in good condition

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Modern Marx "National Military RR Defense Units". I know it's part of a larger set- what appealed to me is the famous Marx windup tank on the other side. That and it's a slick lookin' car!

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Pair of Marx 245 prewar Bogota Pullmans- On the left is a plain black frame with TS couplers, on the right SLF with Joyline couplers

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American Flyer- I believe a Hummer Line "505 Pennsylvania Lines" and a GN RPO that lcks a number, thus I believe it was from a set. Also don't think the roof is original to the carIMG_3968



Why do you think the roof is not original?  Its red color?  The key to its originality is that the roof is the same color as the door.  The roof appears to be correct to me.  It just happens to be a more unusual color.  I have seen red, orange, and green doors on sets with these types of cars. 

NWL

@Nation Wide Lines Usually those are tell tale signs, I agree. A bit fuzzy on the reason why I thought that- it was over 6 weeks ago that I got that lot and looked into it... the RPO lacked a number so google wasn’t helping. I resorted to my only Obrien’s Guide from 1991- which is outdated. It gave me a starting point that the car was part of Set, IIRC.  I was able to search slightly more  specifically and found 2 Prewar Flyer Great Northern sets:

1.) Consist of 4 wheel cars with green roofs and a green door on the RPO

2.) Consist of 8 wheel cars with red roofs and a red door on the RPO

While it’s a larger 4 wheel coach than some of the others I have from different Makers from that era, I don’t think itd fit on a Flyer 8 wheel frame. I do really love the prewar cars with Heralds like that, though, and I know you know your stuff about Prewar Flyer so if you have any info I’d appreciate it!

Here's a set that recently rolled into the O&O railroad complex.  Until I saw the set for sale I didn't know Bing had sold a battery powered train set in the late 1920's early 1930's.

The set, from the reference is 11/540/0

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  While everything matches the catalog picture I'm pretty sure the passenger car on the left is an earlier version.  The catalog illustration does not show operating doors. The two wires coming from the locomotive are the connectors to insulated battery posts on the tender.

  The tender is much larger than it would have been for a simple clockwork - obviously the size was driven by the size of the original batteries which, apparently were held in place by simple friction and covered with the coal pile.

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The underside of the tender has an interesting on/off switch.

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As for the track - it is standard clockwork track from the period.

   I tried searching Google for the shape and size of the original batteries - no luck.  Since I'm sure nothing will just drop in I plan to build a small AA battery holder out of plastic and work out a way to connect these batteries to the rest of the circuit.

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@Nation Wide Lines Usually those are tell tale signs, I agree. A bit fuzzy on the reason why I thought that- it was over 6 weeks ago that I got that lot and looked into it... the RPO lacked a number so google wasn’t helping. I resorted to my only Obrien’s Guide from 1991- which is outdated. It gave me a starting point that the car was part of Set, IIRC.  I was able to search slightly more  specifically and found 2 Prewar Flyer Great Northern sets:

1.) Consist of 4 wheel cars with green roofs and a green door on the RPO

2.) Consist of 8 wheel cars with red roofs and a red door on the RPO

While it’s a larger 4 wheel coach than some of the others I have from different Makers from that era, I don’t think itd fit on a Flyer 8 wheel frame. I do really love the prewar cars with Heralds like that, though, and I know you know your stuff about Prewar Flyer so if you have any info I’d appreciate it!

That sized car came on both 4 and 8 wheel frames. 

Here is the same car on an 8 wheel frame with orange roof and door

NWL

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The underside of the tender has an interesting on/off switch.

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As for the track - it is standard clockwork track from the period.

   I tried searching Google for the shape and size of the original batteries - no luck.  Since I'm sure nothing will just drop in I plan to build a small AA battery holder out of plastic and work out a way to connect these batteries to the rest of the circuit.

Robert,

the matching batterie is 3LR12 4,5 Volts, you need 2 of them.

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How long will that engine run on one set of batteries?   I never knew about it either till someone posted about it on another forum.  Very cool.  Someone out there offers a battery holder that is the right shape, so you can use rechargeable AA batteries instead of eating up non rechargeable ones if you like to run it alot.   I have fitted onboard battery power to a Bassett Lowke LMS Compound using four rechargable 2300mah Nimh AA batteries in a holder.    AD

Thanks @Nation Wide Lines - I appreciate that confirmation. Guess I’m always expecting something to be “wrong” when I purchase a number of items like that

@Robert S. Butler I didn’t know Bing made battery operated trains in that era either!! Awesome pick-up!! I love how loosely(talk about an understatement) batteries were put in toys back then, even with some of the litho coming out of Japan in the 50s/60s.

I’m not sure which of the coaches is older but I just realized after your post that doors aren’t the best way to judge. Portion of Page 346, 1932 addendum to 1930 customer catalog

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Some late Bing’s had opening doors. I always thought that more detail on a Bing car meant PRe-mid 20s till I just translated portions of that page.

side note: I love that book, it validated that the first Bing train car I ever bought(the one shown above) is legitimate and, according to the Spanish description- doesn’t have the raised roof as shown in the book’s picture but a “normal” roof like mine. There are a variants of that car from sets and a version without marking but still. What a great book

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As I said in my other post, had some German tin to share. Forgot to add I have some prewar U.S. Motive Power I received last week as well:

Late Ives 1100 cast iron loco. Runs great! Only problem is that one of the rear wheels doesn’t spin when I run it(loose/not attached to axle)

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Flyer 1097. Always wanted one of these boxcabs. it’s not in the greatest shape but the pic actually is worse than it really is.

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Still has the patents sticker inside

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I bought this knowing it had problems running when not on a test bench. FIced the electrical issues but look at the rear(left) drive wheel...

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It’s expanded from the pest. Got out the calipers to measure each wheelset’s flange distance- the read wheels are 1.28” apart while the front are 1.23”. It’d run rather nicely if it wasn’t for this imbalance.

now to the German tin:

KBN 6”, 4 wheel PRR cars:

553 Express baggage(GREAT condition)

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Two 1223 coaches(Also nice condition)

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different than any Bub coaches I’ve ever bought. Couplers are unique- work with European market(vertical fishhook)couplers and US market T/S couplers

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AND are a nice size- Bub 5.5” on left and Bing 6.5” on right. They don’t look bad with the Bing in a consist but outsize the 5.5 inchers

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Finally, from the weekend- Bub 254 NYC coach and Bing Belvidere NYC Lines Steel sided Coach..

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There should be another Bing steel sided NYC coach(Waukegan) but I’m afraid it may be lost in the mail

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Robert I have the same Bing Loco

I have hooked it up to a single 18650 li-ion cell (4.2V max charge) and it barrels ... My plan for it eventually is to put in 2or3 18500 Li-ion batteries in parallel with a small inexpensive variable voltage buck converter to enable any speed range

( easy for me as I gave up smoking thru using e-cigarettes and have lots of batteries and chargers lol )

Hello everyone...must admit I am fascinated by the battery powered loco's from the 1930's or earlier.  Stevefrom PA thank you for comment on my Hatchette cars, to me they are neat and look good although they are not original Hornby.  OBTW I have the same 4 wheel baggage car (GN logo) with copper journals and green roof and door.  I also have a 1097 and mine came with matching 1120 red/green 4 wheel coach and observation car.

What I have today is sort of an "Australian" adventure.  Some time ago, I obtained a Hornby type 31 1st/2nd (or 3rd) livery coach  from a seller in Australia.  Hornby made 2 type 31 coaches, one 1st/2nd(or 3rd it isn't marked)  and the other 2nd /brake but did not distinguish then by number in their nomenclature.  Both are small 4 wheel coaches in the crimson and cream color scheme.  So I was on the hunt for the one I didn't have, the 2nd/brake.  I recently found it, guess where, in Australia!  I recently got delivery and it is just great, almost new in the box.  So here are my new Hornby type 31 coaches.

Here is the 2nd /brake coach, just received.

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Here she is in an end view showing the lithography on the end plates.

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Here are the two type 31's together, the 1st /2nd on the left and  2nd/brake on the right.

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Here they are with my Type 51 locomotive.  Really it should be a type 30 but I don't have one of those

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Here is the fine box that the 2nd / brake came in and when I inspected the box I noticed an interesting thing.  On one end the product identification etc is in English but on the other end it is in both French and German.  Neat!

Best wishes

Don

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Really nice pick up @Don McErlean

Australia was a huge export market for the UK after the war so later Hornby is plentiful here compared to many other imported or indeed local marques ...I hope these Aussie sellers are looking after you or else I wil have to go 'round an' give 'em a bloody clip on the lughole for ya , <--- note when things get serious I even resort to typing in an Aussie accent

So yep for postwar Hornby Australia will be a prime market , however many sellers on ePay consider them gold !!!

Thanks Fatman, I appreciate the help and support.  Yes, my dealings with the Aussie sellers so far have been excellent.  This latest buy just blew me away, it was pictured of course but the condition when I got it exceeded the description.  As I said in my post, the car looked brand new, indeed it looked like it had never been on the track and the box was clean and crisp. So I am very much pleased with your homeland.

How is the foot doing?  Healing up I hope.

Don

I've been rapidly working on filling out a roughly 1921 era O gauge collection for an upcoming Christmas holiday display.  So far I have a partial cross section of Lionel's train offerings minus the lowest end freight set as well as some of the mid level ones.  I have a few other accessories I'd like to acquire eventually along with some originals to replace the MTH repro lamp posts (technically the 58 lamp posts are too new anyway) and crossing signal.  There's also an Ives passenger set for something different.

The 156 locomotive and passenger cars arrived yesterday from a Stout Auction I won it in.  Unfortunately a former owner did a fairly decent cosmetic restoration on the locomotive although it was mechanically "totaled" with a bad motor armature and very rough original wiring.  The chassis will be getting sent to the Motor Doctor this week for motor work which should hopefully sort it out and make it run as nice as it looks.

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For awhile my wife and I have been wanting a tinplate Christmas train. I only run conventional and couldn’t really justify, to myself or my wife, the recent pricing for either a MTH or LTI tinplate set. That only left me with one option, which was to make my own.

The search began for a donor consist at the last York, October 2019. I found two 332 baggage cars and one 341 observation car. I bought these from the TCA museum table for a bargain price of $45. These were in the pretty peacock and orange color combination and complete with all the accessories. The only planned reproduction parts were the couplers.





Next was the search for an engine frame and shell. I picked this up off of the bay for $25. I have several No 8’s so a motor swap into this engine would be the approach.



Everything was taken down to parade rest. I used TSP to strip all the paint. Which worked very well and required very little scrubbing.









A small parts order was made. I decided to use rattle cans for this project. Finding the deep colors my wife wanted was a challenge. As with many consumer products these days the store shelves were bare. So we settled on our selection of Krylon Colormaxx gloss enamel.
Here is the end result and we are both very happy with it. We can’t wait for it to be running when I convert the layout over to its Christmas theme.

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Rich that looks terrific, fabulous job.   I noted you said you used "TSP" for removing the paint.  I know this may be a dumb question but I am not familiar with that product, could you post its full name?  I have a set of Ogauge passenger cars that were originally "ogive" in 1925 and someone painted them green (date unknown). I can tell this because they only painted the outside and the original color is underneath and inside the cars.  Long term I am thinking or returning them to their proper color.

Don

@Don McErlean Don thank you for your comments. TSP is Trisodium Phosphate, which is available from any big box store or local hardware store. I used about 1/2 to 3/4 cup of TSP with warm water to cover a shell in a plastic pail. The painted cars and even the brass railings went in for about 30 minutes. The paint basically fell off and didn’t need any aggressive scrubbing. I was very pleased with how this worked. In the past I had used dishwasher pods without very satisfactory results. Looking forward to seeing your cars transformation in the future.

Here is a new arrival.  This is set 845 c. 1937, based on The W. Bingham Co. wholesale catalog from 1937.  These Champion sets were not shown in the regular American Flyer catalogs, so one has to search many sources to find what should be in these sets.

The set came with its original box and sleeves for all items, except the tender.  Note all of the sleeves are rubberstamped with the item numbers.

The box label, with correct number present

NWL

PS - after searching through the stacks, I found a sleeve for the tender.  It is a great match to the set, as it is rubber stamped 122? with the last digit being unreadable, so it is plausible that it would be 1221, which would be correct for the tender. 

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@Rich Wiemann: Thanks for the "recipe" not sure when I might launch on this project but I will definitely follow your advice.

@Nation Wide Lines:  That is really a  beautiful set.  I have one "Champion" set (or at least it came as a set-no box) but its a passenger set and the tender is very different, not nearly so elaborate.  The engine seems similar however but the trim on yours looks more like my AF 301 engine, more elaborate than my Champion loco.  What I really enjoyed however is that I have all the cars you pictured, but they were picked up at various times over the years as single car buys...and now I know they did come in some sets but uncatalogued and an approximate year 1937.

It really is amazing when you can find these things complete, even to the internal cardboard sleeves for the individual cars.  GREAT FIND!  Thanks for posting.

Don

@Nation Wide Lines:  That is really a  beautiful set.  I have one "Champion" set (or at least it came as a set-no box) but its a passenger set and the tender is very different, not nearly so elaborate.  The engine seems similar however but the trim on yours looks more like my AF 301 engine, more elaborate than my Champion loco.  What I really enjoyed however is that I have all the cars you pictured, but they were picked up at various times over the years as single car buys...and now I know they did come in some sets but uncatalogued and an approximate year 1937.

It really is amazing when you can find these things complete, even to the internal cardboard sleeves for the individual cars.  GREAT FIND!  Thanks for posting.

Don

Don,

The Champion sets with these type of freights were produced in 1936 and 1937.  They were never included in the official Dealer Price Lists, but I have several pages of "Specials" c. 1936-1937 that show these sets.  In revisiting these pages, I see my set 845 is included in the "Specials" information I have.  As for the engine, I believe it uses the same cab as the Type XX / 401 locomotive.  There is no rear truck, as the engine has the whistle unit in the cab. 

This style of freight car is shown in both 4 and 8-wheel frame configurations and are also shown as coming with the sheet-metal Hiawatha engines. 

As for information on these odd sets, I have browsed on ebay for years looking for wholesale catalog pages showing American Flyer and have found a lot of great information about uncataloged items. 

The cardboard sleeves are somewhat difficult to find, as they are easily lost, torn, and discarded, much like original wrapping paper from earlier sets, so it is nice when one finds them.

NWL

@NWL  I think you are correct.  Your comment about the "whistle in the cab" sent me scrambling for my Type XX locomotive (much the worse for wear than yours and without the leading truck) to see the resemblance.  This one has the whistle in the cab and has a similar amount of trim on the boiler but lacks (maybe its just missing) the cylindrical headlight extension on the boiler front and as I mentioned it has no leading truck.  Interestingly mine shows no evidence of ever having such a truck but who knows.  There is no question that this type XX resembles your engine more than the one that came with my Champion outfit.  My type XX shown below.

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Best wishes

Don

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Well here is a short post of an item that I think is cool although probably not either unique or very valuable.  It is a #612 American Flyer Station with Crane.  This was made between 1946-1951 and then available again in 1953-54.  It's condition is good, all the controls on the crane work, even the string is intact .  The station house itself is very good but it is missing the green window pane's on the inside and one "Mystic" sign. All of the doors on the other hand are in place and intact.   The windows were sheet stock plastic pasted on the inside, hopefully someone on the forum makes a reproduction replacement.  I sort of bought it on a lark, mostly because of the crane, and it was quite inexpensive ($22)   So this was made when I was between 2 (1946) and 10 (1954) years of age...I got my first train in 1947  at age 3 (or maybe Dad did ) from Santa like many other boys and it was Lionel, but these accessories seem to work fine with either Lionel or AF (I have a #593 AF switch tower of the same vintage on my current 0 gauge layout).

Front view, showing the "ticket booth"

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Rear view, showing the other freight door and the ramp down to the crane area. The large baggage door is intact but I just left it open.

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Non crane end showing the "Mystic" sign

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Crane end with better view of the crane.  The "rope" or "cable" driving the crane from the control wheels is well aged, but intact, the hook is complete and all the control wheels work and are functional.

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Here is the American Flyer trademark on the end of the platform.

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Best wishes

Don

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Well here is a short post of an item that I think is cool although probably not either unique or very valuable.  It is a #612 American Flyer Station with Crane.  This was made between 1946-1951 and then available again in 1953-54.  It's condition is good, all the controls on the crane work, even the string is intact .  The station house itself is very good but it is missing the green window pane's on the inside and one "Mystic" sign. All of the doors on the other hand are in place and intact.   The windows were sheet stock plastic pasted on the inside, hopefully someone on the forum makes a reproduction replacement.  I sort of bought it on a lark, mostly because of the crane, and it was quite inexpensive ($22)   So this was made when I was between 2 (1946) and 10 (1954) years of age...I got my first train in 1947  at age 3 (or maybe Dad did ) from Santa like many other boys and it was Lionel, but these accessories seem to work fine with either Lionel or AF (I have a #593 AF switch tower of the same vintage on my current 0 gauge layout).

Front view, showing the "ticket booth"

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That's a beautiful piece, and a lot of fun too.

And it was a steal for the price.  Shouldn't be too difficult to figure something out for window glazing, especially since you're not restoring a rare collectible.

Thanks Mallard 4468. I agree, I am sure I can find something for the windows, even it its just a "frosted" plastic.  The interior light fixture for the station is completely intact, even the bulb!  My recollection is that these stations did not really give you a view "inside" so I think frosted would be as correct as I need to be. Thanks for you comment.

Don

For awhile my wife and I have been wanting a tinplate Christmas train. I only run conventional and couldn’t really justify, to myself or my wife, the recent pricing for either a MTH or LTI tinplate set. That only left me with one option, which was to make my own.

Wow, that looks so good. I have never done anything like this before but you have now given me inspiration to try and make my own Christmas train from some old, used trains. I just need to go to a train show to start looking! Thanks.

Ok, Don - you're half way there - now you need to add this to your freight siding that way you will have two cranes to do the needed work in and around the freight/station area.



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  As for your missing windows - you are correct, they were frosted and at one point someone made reproductions but I can't recall who it was.

I used frosted milk cartons to make windows.

Steve

Ok, Don - you're half way there - now you need to add this to your freight siding that way you will have two cranes to do the needed work in and around the freight/station area.



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  As for your missing windows - you are correct, they were frosted and at one point someone made reproductions but I can't recall who it was.

And if you happen to find a spare crane you can create a larger freight depot like I did.

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Greg

Finally got home to take a look at a set of 2613/4/5 pullmans that someone did a ratty home plating job on, well at least I think they did....s lol

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So far all I did was to unwrap them and take a rag and some mothers wheel polish to one end of one roof which you can see.  Looks like all that scruffy crap will polish off and they might look alright lol

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Well here is a short post of an item that I think is cool although probably not either unique or very valuable.  It is a #612 American Flyer Station with Crane.  This was made between 1946-1951 and then available again in 1953-54.  It's condition is good, all the controls on the crane work, even the string is intact .  The station house itself is very good but it is missing the green window pane's on the inside and one "Mystic" sign. All of the doors on the other hand are in place and intact.   The windows were sheet stock plastic pasted on the inside, hopefully someone on the forum makes a reproduction replacement.  I sort of bought it on a lark, mostly because of the crane, and it was quite inexpensive ($22)   So this was made when I was between 2 (1946) and 10 (1954) years of age...I got my first train in 1947  at age 3 (or maybe Dad did ) from Santa like many other boys and it was Lionel, but these accessories seem to work fine with either Lionel or AF (I have a #593 AF switch tower of the same vintage on my current 0 gauge layout).

Front view, showing the "ticket booth"

AF Station front

Rear view, showing the other freight door and the ramp down to the crane area. The large baggage door is intact but I just left it open.

AF Station rear

Non crane end showing the "Mystic" sign

AF station - Mystic end

Crane end with better view of the crane.  The "rope" or "cable" driving the crane from the control wheels is well aged, but intact, the hook is complete and all the control wheels work and are functional.

AF Station crane end

Here is the American Flyer trademark on the end of the platform.

AF Station trademark

Best wishes

Don

You can google mistic station window set. E-bay has a set for 12.99 + 1.50 shipping. I got a set from Port Liones Hobby years ago. I didn't see it listed now at PLH, but you could call Doug @888-708-0782.

Chris

Finally found a little Electric Passenger set that runs beautifully.  Now I need a headlamp for it.  One observation is that it takes very little power to run at what I would call an acceptable speed.  A touch more and it is off like a rabbit!  In an original beat up box, and with the #248 Orange engine with a 629 Pullman and the 630 Observation that have peacock inserts.  I am looking for help with the headlamp, anybody have one to sell, or a favorite vendor?  I have not cleaned them up yet, so not bad for their age.

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Wow guys THANKS your comments and help on my need for "windows" for my AF station was really great.  NWL, beardog49, Steve Papa Eastman thanks for your input on the window material and confirming my recollection that the windows were "frosted".  Robert S. Butler and Greg J. Turinette...I agree guys I now "need" that earlier version of this station and Greg...an extra crane!.  Dennis Holler I have seen a lot of restored 2613/14/15 cars but never plated ones.  They are really unique and look super!.  Caa - Thank you especially for remembering the source of the windows I will pursue that for sure.

Thanks again guys...

Don

Chuck242:  IAW my reference material, the #248 with an orange body and peacock blue painted inserts dates from 1928-1929 and has a "cast" headlight.  OBTW your cars, the 629 Pullman and 630 observation with orange body and peacock inserts, are also correct for 1928-29 and did come with the orange engine in "Outfit 292" (Lionel's term for a set) as your box shows.

What a great find!  A beautiful set for certain.

Don

Hi tinplate fans...I am posting some pictures here of a Lionel #800 boxcar that I did list on "Box Car Sunday" , however I wanted to discuss a small but perhaps interesting detail that I discovered on the car after study.  Thought this thread being devoted solely to tinplate might have more interested members in what may seem as minutia.

Looking at the pictures.

Here is the interesting (and perhaps trivial) detail.  In Greenbergs very complete book on Lionel O gauge from 1915-1928 he treats this boxcar in some detail.  However he lists only two (2) variations on the rubber stamping (PRR) .  The first from 1918, labeled configuration (F) he describes as having NO PERIODS in the stamping "PENN R R" .  He then describes a configuration that he lists as (G) covering the period 1914-1925 ( yes it either overlaps or 1918 is a singular year, he does not say)  which is stated to have THREE PERIODS , hence it would read "PENN.R.R." on both sides of the door.  With a period after the N and after both R's.  The Three Period configuration then continues until 1926 when this fellow was no longer available.  The 1925-26 configuration had the item number #800 under the door vice on one end of the car as is shown below so clearly this car is pre 1925.

So - what's the big deal.  Well my little car has TWO PERIODS and only on one side of the door.  I thought at first this might just be an error in the stamping but both sides of the car are the same, the period after the "N" in PENN is missing in both places on the left and there are no periods at all on the right side of the door.  While the picture does show this but believe me even investigation up close with a magnifying glass reveals the absence of any period either after the "N" on the left side and no periods at all on the right side.

OK I am a "trivia fan", what do you think, is this a factory error, one of, just a screw up of some technician...? I doubt the latter as the periods, however many there would be would be incorporated in the stamp. So this car was obviously stamped with a different stamp or a defective stamp.  Anyway as a pre-war nut finding a configuration that might be undiscovered by as complete a source as Greenberg was kind of cool.

Side 1

Lionel 800 Box side 1

Side 2

Lionel 800 Box side 2

End of car (one end only)

Lionel 800 Box end



Comments are most welcome.

Don

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My latest Tinplate adventure starts out with the Ubiquitous Marx Commodore Vanderbilt Locomotive.  Clearly not something from the High End of the Shelf...  Looking a little sad here

But what does one do with a loco like this?  My layout is post war O27 and this won't even go around the track because the large diameter drive gear won't go through my switches.  So I came up with the idea of converting it.  I had a DC powered Lionel 1062 locomotive (another real high dollar item... LOL) that I took the motor from; then added some diodes so it could run on AC.

Here is a picture of the old on the left with the modified on the right.  The conversion was rather easy.  To the rearward facing slot on the motor chassis I needed to add a vertical shim to get the height correct, then a side to side shim to get the motor centered within the body.  Then I had to tap the existing hole in the Lionel chassis with a 6-32 thread and drill a corresponding hole in the Marx Cross beam.  I was even able to add the front trucks from the Lionel 1062 onto the unit! 

Here is the locomotive polished up and ready for action on my layout

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In March of 2020, I purchased a nice, original gunmetal gray 392E from a local estate auction. I have been searching since then for a matching set of Stephen Girard passenger cars with the correct, late nickel trim. Today, I received a nice set of original, matching nickel trim cars thanks to the fine folks at Stout Auctions in Indiana. I thought I got a great deal on these and they arrived better than I expected. These nickel trim cars seemed to be hard to find, but now my set is complete. I have always wanted a late Stephen Girard set and now I finally have one!

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