Did You Ever Drop A Locomotive?

Arnold D. Cribari posted:

 

But my heart sunk when I saw one set of wheels on the floor that came off the tender. I examined the tender closely and noticed a small piece of plastic that I believe is supposed to be part of the journal box, had broken off. That broken piece of plastic holds the wheel axle and wheels in place. I frantically searched the floor for that small piece of plastic, and found it after about 10 minutes of searching for it.

I had some left over Loctite Superglue. I put the axle for the loose pair of wheels in each journal box, and put a tiny dab of superglue on the edge of the broken piece of plastic, put the axle and wheels back in the journal box, and pressed the glued  broken pieces together.

I now have  the tender on the track in another siding in the middle, not the edge, of  the layout. I won't touch the tender for at least 24 hours to give the Superglue plenty of time to dry/set. 

 

I believe the part that broke off is a AXLE BEARING / PLASTIC / PILOT / TRAILING TRUCK 6208616339 

https://www.lionelsupport.com/...;submitButton=Search

I find it handy to have spares of these on hand.

An Atlas SW9 that belonged to another forum member.   $100 purchase, patience, new windows, from Atlas, and glue. 

I was thinking a little brush painting and a grimmy black over-spray.   That hasn't happen yet, a conversation piece. 

Crash model, be sure to save all the pieces. 

Last week a bookcase shelf collapsed and took my CC KLine New Haven EP-5 with it.  One of the cast truck side frames shattered. 

Peter

Mike CT posted:

An Atlas SW9 that belonged to another forum member.   $100 purchase, patience, new windows, from Atlas, and glue. 

I was thinking a little brush painting and a grimmy black over-spray.   That hasn't happen yet, a conversation piece. 

Crash model, be sure to save all the pieces. 

 

Way-back-when I knew a guy who had a body shop. He specialized in Corvettes. When he got the wrecker call he always brought along a couple helpers with a pickup truck, shovels and brooms. They would be sure to sweep up all the pieces of broken fiberglass and haul it all back to the shop where George would start laying out the pieces. Then he'd slowly reassemble the crushed fiberglass body work using epoxy resin, the stuff the panels were made with at the factory.  His bodywork was so smooth no customer ever complained and that is why the adjusters were willing to pay for new panels and George got to pocket that money. George was quite good at it.

Davety posted:

Arnold D. Cribari posted:

 

But my heart sunk when I saw one set of wheels on the floor that came off the tender. I examined the tender closely and noticed a small piece of plastic that I believe is supposed to be part of the journal box, had broken off. That broken piece of plastic holds the wheel axle and wheels in place. I frantically searched the floor for that small piece of plastic, and found it after about 10 minutes of searching for it.

I had some left over Loctite Superglue. I put the axle for the loose pair of wheels in each journal box, and put a tiny dab of superglue on the edge of the broken piece of plastic, put the axle and wheels back in the journal box, and pressed the glued  broken pieces together.

I now have  the tender on the track in another siding in the middle, not the edge, of  the layout. I won't touch the tender for at least 24 hours to give the Superglue plenty of time to dry/set. 

 

I believe the part that broke off is a AXLE BEARING / PLASTIC / PILOT / TRAILING TRUCK 6208616339 

https://www.lionelsupport.com/...;submitButton=Search

I find it handy to have spares of these on hand.

Davety, thank you for that info, which I may need if the Superglue does not work long term. Arnold

When my younger son was about eight years old, he tried to prove that GG1s could fly! Well, they do, for just a second or two. My 2332 left the table at full speed and landed on its side on the concrete basement floor.....not a scratch! I was thankful that my precious Madison cars weren't attached.  We laugh about it now, especially since my son now has children and sure enough they too like to fly a train or two.  

Earl

I’ve never dropped one, but like John Pignatelli, I did throw one across the room.  I was a kid, maybe 8 years old.  We had a 4X8 HO layout in the basement and my big brother would not let me run the trains even after what seemed like an eternity of pleading.  Out of frustration, I grabbed a loco and threw it across the room.  When my dad got home, I got a wuppin and was not allowed to run the trains at all.

Davety posted:

Arnold D. Cribari posted:

 

But my heart sunk when I saw one set of wheels on the floor that came off the tender. I examined the tender closely and noticed a small piece of plastic that I believe is supposed to be part of the journal box, had broken off. That broken piece of plastic holds the wheel axle and wheels in place. I frantically searched the floor for that small piece of plastic, and found it after about 10 minutes of searching for it.

I had some left over Loctite Superglue. I put the axle for the loose pair of wheels in each journal box, and put a tiny dab of superglue on the edge of the broken piece of plastic, put the axle and wheels back in the journal box, and pressed the glued  broken pieces together.

 

 

I believe the part that broke off is a AXLE BEARING / PLASTIC / PILOT / TRAILING TRUCK 6208616339 

https://www.lionelsupport.com/...;submitButton=Search

I find it handy to have spares of these on hand.

Hi Davety and any other Forum mechanical whizzes out there. I can really use your help, as explained below.

A couple of days ago, I posted here that my beloved LC+ Jersey Central Pacific #832 Steamer and tender (#6-84680) took a 4 foot dive off the train table, onto the concrete floor, and a piece of black plastic the holds a wheel axle for the tender broke. I found the broken piece of plastic and used Loctite Superglue to put the piece of plastic and wheel axle back together.

I let 2 full days go by, and ran the engine this evening. Everything was fine until I took the engine and tender off the track, and as I did that, the wheel fell off, and now I can't find that plastic part. 

I can't thank Davety enough for his above reply identifying that plastic part (axle bearing part # 620-8616-339) and providing the link for me to order it from Lionel, which I just did.

Now, I have a couple of questions. 

Once I get the replacement part, how do I affix it so it properly holds the wheel axle in place?

I assume that this axle bearing is glued in place. If so, what is the best glue for me to use, where can I buy it, and how long should I let the glue set to maximize the chances it will work?

Arnold

Hi Bob, yes I did. A Lionel Alleghany took a tumble four feet to the concrete floor. Landed on it's wheels. It was ugly buddy.  Lionel repaired it for me at the behest of my dealer Lou Caponi, back when he was still with us.

I still have it, but I did install a Plexiglas barrier.    

 No, but I did drop the thanksgiving turkey once and the international consequences were horrific - the downfall of Turkey, the breaking up of China, and the overrun of Greece....sorry about that ...

Hi Arnold, I just read your post and boy at lest I'm not the only butter finger in the group.

Try to hook up with Gunrunner John. He is really good at this sort of things.

Don't feel bad, in my case all the drive wheels flanges where bent along with the axels.

Now, I'm not sure if the part posted by Davety above, is the correct part.

This is a photo of the damaged part (on right side of the photo) showing a small piece of plastic that broke off and is now missing:

Below is a photo of the undamaged part on the opposite side of the truck:

As shown above, the whole part extends over the top inside of the truck and holds both wheel axles in place.

Arnold

Arnold,

That should be the correct part. The photo from Lionel's site isn't very good. That extra piece of plastic out to the side is the clip that holds it in place. In your photo that part would go down, towards the body of the tender and clip in thus holding the wheel axle in place.

Davety posted:

Arnold,

That should be the correct part. The photo from Lionel's site isn't very good. That extra piece of plastic out to the side is the clip that holds it in place. In your phone that part would go down, towards the body of the tender and clip in thus holding the wheel axle in place.

Davety, is any glue used to hold that part in place and/or the black plastic part that extends on the top inside of the truck in place?

I just noticed that the part that extends on the top inside of the truck is loose on my tender truck.

I think I may also need to order the clip that holds the axle bearing in place. Davety, Gunrunner, or other repair expert, do you know the part number for that clip, and how to attach it to the truck?

By the way, it looks to me that the axle bearing and clip that extends on the inside and top of the truck is one part, not 2 separate parts, on this LC + tender. Arnold

Arnold D. Cribari posted:

Davety posted:

Arnold,

That should be the correct part. The photo from Lionel's site isn't very good. That extra piece of plastic out to the side is the clip that holds it in place. In your phone that part would go down, towards the body of the tender and clip in thus holding the wheel axle in place.

Davety, is any glue used to hold that part in place and/or the black plastic part that extends on the top inside of the truck in place?

I just noticed that the part that extends on the top inside of the truck is loose on my tender truck.

That part has the clip attached, no glue needed. From your picture it appears that the clip part of the axle bearing piece may still be attached to your truck. Here's a picture from the parts site of the top of your truck. noticed the cutouts near the wheels. This is where the clip part of the axle bearing clips in. If you need to remove the wheels for some reason you would put a small screwdriver in there and gently pull the clip away from the truck toward the wheels and push down to get the wheel set out. I wish I could find a video showing all of this, but am unable to do so.

Davety posted:

Arnold D. Cribari posted:

Davety posted:

Arnold,

That should be the correct part. The photo from Lionel's site isn't very good. That extra piece of plastic out to the side is the clip that holds it in place. In your phone that part would go down, towards the body of the tender and clip in thus holding the wheel axle in place.

Davety, is any glue used to hold that part in place and/or the black plastic part that extends on the top inside of the truck in place?

I just noticed that the part that extends on the top inside of the truck is loose on my tender truck.

That part has the clip attached, no glue needed. From your picture it appears that the clip part of the axle bearing piece may still be attached to your truck. Here's a picture from the parts site of the top of your truck. noticed the cutouts near the wheels. This is where the clip part of the axle bearing clips in. If you need to remove the wheels for some reason you would put a small screwdriver in there and gently pull the clip away from the truck toward the wheels and push down to get the wheel set out. I wish I could find a video show all of this, but am unable to do so.

Very helpful, Davety, thank you. Good news that no gluing is necessary.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but does that part, which consists of the clip and axle bearings,  snap (or clip) into place?

Is another option to buy the whole truck, which would obviously be more expensive? If so, does that make the repair simpler?

The truck with the broken piece of plastic is the front truck of the tender. The all important tether,  between tender and engine, is involved with that truck so great care is necessary in possibly replacing that truck.

The reason I am so interested (and a bit obsessive) about this repair is that this engine and tender is my very favorite in my collection, and I have a lot of engines collected over the past 65 years. Arnold

Arnold D. Cribari posted:

 

Very helpful, Davety, thank you. Good news that no gluing is necessary.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but does that part, which consists of the clip and axle bearings,  snap (or clip) into place?

I'd say that it snaps into place.

Is another option to buy the whole truck, which would obviously be more expensive? If so, does that make the repair simpler?

You could purchase the whole truck, that part is available. However that would be like replacing the entire wheel and axle assembly on your car because you need new wheel bearings. That would be the more expensive option. I think the simple repair would be to purchase just the axle bearing.

The truck with the broken piece of plastic is the front truck of the tender. The all important tether,  between tender and engine, is involved with that truck so great care is necessary in possibly replacing that truck.

If you want to replace the entire truck, then yes you need to be careful of the wires and the draw bar if it's attached as part of the truck mounting to the tender. Some are and some aren't, I don't know you exact model to know for sure.

The reason I am so interested (and a bit obsessive) about this repair is that this engine and tender is my very favorite in my collection, and I have a lot of engines collected over the past 65 years. Arnold

For me it was a kick to the floor. I had my Lionel Percy on the dresser next to my bed and my foot got him and he landed on the hard floor. As the narrator from the show would say, "Luckily, no one was hurt." It woke me up and I checked him out; nothing broken or scratched and still runs. I have since put him in a storage tub along with the rest of my collection for protection from a furry pest...

I knocked my Lionel Mohawk #3000 off the edge of my layout to the concrete floor a couple of years ago.  I placed the engine on the track, then the tender with the draw bar attached.  I apparently twisted the draw bar in the process, causing the engine to flip off the table faster than I could react to catch it.

After I stopped swearing, I got the courage to pick the engine up.  I looked and looked, but couldn't find any damage.  I put it on the track and tried to run it, but it wouldn't move.  A hum from the motor suggested it was jammed.

Further inspection revealed the sheet metal plate holding the trailing truck was warped and jamming the motor armature.  I straightened out the plate, reassembled it and the Mohawk ran fine.

I got lucky due to: (1) solid construction by Lionel, (2) the engine apparently landed trailing truck first and the sheet metal plate absorbed the impact (but no damage to the truck) and (3) the engine hit my leg on the way down.  I had a nice bruise on my leg  as evidence.  It's a heavy engine!

John