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It seems that the 3 trains I own are consistently having issues with wiring being compromised.  I have a PCC PS2 trolly that had a broken ground wire this season.  The SD70 has broken the front truck pick up wires about 6 times as well as other wiring issues - 3 factory and 3 home made attempts at repairs.  The RTR kit that started it all 4-6-0 Steamer has had wiring issues with the PS3 plug multiple times, probably due to the stress of movements and sharp bends.  Yet again, the 4-6-0 Steamer will not be running for Christmas, it has only worked 3 times on Christmas week in the 6 years of having it.

Do you all have this much issue or am I just blessed?  Is this a product of 031 or is it just poor design?    I think it may be a combination of the two.

I run my trains MTH RealTrax 0-31 for about 2 months a year during the Christmas season.  Over the last 6 years, the layout has expanded be about 200+ feet of track that goes around the room, with 3 loops in total, with a small trolley loop, a medium loop for the steamer, and long loop for the diesel mixed Christmas freight.  The last years we also grew it include a fly over bridge and 7 switches, 1 X, and 3 operating track sections.  While we try to avoid S curves, it cannot be helped to snake around the furniture and fit into our space.  It is also why we went with O31 so that it would more easily fit in the space.

The typical operation of the trains is set a them for slow operation, of 7 to 15mph and let them go for an few hours in the evenings while we are watching TV.   The kids run the trains as well during the day.  The SD70, which has been working the most, has 4350 scales miles and shows 466 hours on the Chrono.  The Trolley has 1500 scale miles.  The 4-6-0 is out of commission.  Trains are MTH SD70 30-20047-1, MTH PCC 30-2595-1, MTH 4-6-0 30-4209-1E (from RTR set)

 

Your thought on 031 and impact of wear and tear?

Bill

 

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Do you all have this much issue or am I just blessed?  Is this a product of 031 or is it just poor design?    I think it may be a combination of the two.

Poor design / assembly / materials choice.
If the train is designed to work on 31 inch diameter track, then it should work on 31 inch diameter track. If wires are breaking then the problem is the train.

Most of the trains that have passed though my hands with broken wires had their problems caused by "User error". In other words, someone messing with the insides of their train. Sometimes the wire corroded away at the solder joint.

 

 

Yes, to paraphrase RICKO, a tighter radius will add to all stresses on the machine. Whenever you can go to a broader curve, do so. Everything works better when you can and do. It's just physics and mechanics. More stresses will indeed expose the limits of a device sooner.

The Perfect Railroad has no curves, no grades and no switches, but this seems impractical. 

Dominic Mazoch posted:

Three questions:

 

1.  The sharpness of the curve.

2.  Type of track:  Classic Tin, FastTrac, MTH types, GarGraves......

3.  Type of Trackwork:  Switches, crossovers.  Remember, going through this still in 3R, some of the wheels are running on their flanges in the frogs.

1. O-31

2. MTH RealTrax

3. MTH RealTrax 0-31 Lefts and Rights

Engines are rated for 0-31 as are all the train cars (0-31 or 0-27).

About 10 years ago I decided to test out some of my postwar Lionel on a loop of 031 Railking Realtrax that was set up under my Christmas tree. I noticed almost immediately that the engines were having a problem with the squarish rail profile - especially at the joints on curves. The wheels really are better suited to the rounded shape of the Lionel tinplate rails. Even the Railking engine that came in the set with the Realtrax had chips on the edges of its wheel flanges from minimal holiday use . I drew the conclusion that the tight radius and the sqared edges of the rail ends didn't mix. As far as your wire issues, I have noticed that many of todays manufacturers do not use very flexible wire. Low temp lead free solder doesn't help either.

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On the layout at the store that I work at we replaced the Atlas track with Lionel Fastrack several years ago.  We kept the curves at O-36. Since then we've noticed how fast the flanges on the steam locomotives wear out.  Since the Atlas track was nickel silver, while the Lionel Fastrack is steel, it seems that the steel rail is harder on the flanges then the nickel silver.

Stuart

 

The tubular Lionel type track is best on wheel wear and for operating tight curves.  The rounded rail shape allows the wheels to see a slightly variable curve radius to reduce wear.  Lionel took advantage of this the "fast angle wheels"  The fast angle wheels allowed for a needle bearing which also allowed for less friction and allowed for more cars to be pulled.

I have not had any problems with wheel wear on my 027 layout with 27 Marx switches after 30 plus years of operation.

 

Charlie

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