Parts assist

Chuck I have neither the locomotive nor the part but, from pictures that stanchion looks a lot like the flatcar stakes that Lionel used on postwar flat cars including the log car and 364 log conveyor.   That part number is 2411-4.  If it is the same you would only need to drill a handrail size hole through it.

Good luck.

I have a 8030. I don't think the flat car ones are the same. The stanchions for the engine are made so the railing snaps in. There are some forum sponsors who sell the older parts and they may carry those parts.....Paul 2

I'm not sure if this would be helpful.  Lionel Train Replacement Parts, O Gauge Model Trains from Lionel Trains (lionelsupport.com)

Pretty sure these are the parts......

OR

Found at Train Tender.  www.ttender.com

The complete handrail with the stanchions.

Larry

And ttender has them for 1.25 per side.

If you look on the page train Larry sent their the plastic ones. But further down they have the metal ones you want. 5xs the price to but still not bad at 10 bucks

E-UNIT-79,

I can't find it, do you have a link directly to it??

Thanks,

Chuck

The metal ones.

Larry

Larry, those are plastic!

No. Train Larry sent you the correct link.  Coming up as metal ones 9.99

Those sure look like plastic Stanchions to me.  The handrails are metal.

The OP is looking for metal stanchions as far as I can tell.

Those might be metal or plastic but they are not what he has.  If you look at the picture from the OP you can see that the handrail goes through the stanction rather than sitting at the top.  If you look closly at the picture, you can see the metal legs.  I'm going to stick to my original guess - 2411-4.

It is really, really ugly but there are probably rectangular holes punched in the deck plate.  What are the chances that the spacing of the hole matches the spacing of the tabs on the plastic version?  If it does, I would consider removing the current handrails and going with the plastic/metal version - they look much better.

CHUCK - can you remove one of the stanction and tale a picture of the front and back?  It would be helpful.

@Helichuck posted:

I have a Lionel 8030 here and it is missing one of the metal stanchions.

@ADCX Rob posted:

They are the same part, but for the 8030 the stake is slotted to accept the handrail, this would need to be done with a Dremel cutoff wheel.

You can also see in the pictures that one only has a single slot on one side; which would be the end one, meaning there is a left and a right "end cap" stanchion, plus the ones that pass the handrail all the way through that can be used on either side.

@TrainManMike posted:

You can also see in the pictures that one only has a single slot on one side; which would be the end one, meaning there is a left and a right "end cap" stanchion,

It looks that way from the perspective, but alas, they are all slotted both sides. There are no "end stanchions".

@ADCX Rob posted:

It looks that way from the perspective, but alas, they are all slotted both sides. There are no "end stanchions".

That's so weird, lol.  That one looks dead black and the others you can clearly see the table.

@ADCX Rob posted:

It looks that way from the perspective, but alas, they are all slotted both sides. There are no "end stanchions".

Rob, do you think the newer plastic version version that TrainLarry post would fit the frame?  The spacing looks about right and the way the tab is designed, it appears that it would fit the hole and lock into place.

@Danr posted:

Rob, do you think the newer plastic version version that TrainLarry post would fit the frame?

I think it will.

Thanks to all, I will get them and slot them.

If you need just 1, email me your address and I'll give it to you for the cost of postage.

Interesting little back story on this part, that Lenny Dean told me years ago. When Lionel/MPC was starting in 1970, They started stamping the frames of GP diesels with rectangular holes for the stanchions. The original plan was to use the plastic stanchions.

But in the chaos in 1970 from the move, a die was cut to make the plastic stanchions, but after a couple of test shots, it was discovered that the tangs or clips was not measured correctly and did not align with the holes punched in the frame for them. They couldn't hold up production on the engines to wait till a new die was cut with the correct dimensions, so a quick fix was needed. Just by chance the holes stamped in the frame were the same as the postwar flatcars with stakes ( 3451. 6511) and some had the idea of using those, as they had hundreds of extra's back then. The machine department quickly made a jig to stamp the 45 degree cutout to hold the handrail. The 8030 IC and also the 8031 CN loco's are the only ones with the metal stamped stanchion. The idea was if the customer didn't like them, he could purchase a pair of corrected handrails stanchions when available to 'upgrade'. Lionel sent out to dealers free of charge pairs of plastic stanchions for however many 8030 and 8031 locos they had ordered later.