Pennsylvania Railroad Question

RF-16s were freight only. Over their life they wore Brunswick green sometimes with circled keystone and 5 stripes later green with buff single stripe.  Baldwin made a passenger shark, the BP-20. THEY WERE GREEN WITH 5 STRIPESAND POSSIBLY TUSCAN with 5 stripes.  Ended careers on NY&LB possibly pushers on horseshoe curve.

The BP20s wore both five-stripe and single stripe liveries in both DGLE and tuscan colors.

I believe that the RF-16's were the only 5-stripe freight diesels.  I'm from the west, but have seen Pennsy photos for over 70 years, and, when delivered, the RF-16 units did have 5 stripes, beginning with a Pennsy emblem in a circle  just behind the cab door and no striping on the nose.  They later were repainted with the single stripe that curved downward at the nose, like EMD and Alco freight units.

The class BP-20 passenger sharks started out with the same partial 5 stripe paint scheme, and later received the single stripe on tuscan red, with the stripe extending to the nose.

That's what I have seen in photos.

I guess that makes the Lionel Century Club PRR Sharks a fantasy paint scheme, here I though this was real.

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As mentioned, the DR-4-4-1500 (BF-15) and later RF-16 (BF-16) were freight engines that were delivered with the 5-stripe passenger scheme.  As far as I can tell, they were the only ones.  I have a couple of books on the Pennsy's Sharks that talk about the engine's various paint schemes during its career, but none gave a reason why Pennsy painted them with the 5-stripe scheme. 

The DR-6-4-20 (BP-20) was originally delivered with the strips ending at the emblem.  This looked "wrong", and it wasn't long before they painted the stripes all the way to the nose.  I have not found a picture of the BF-15 with the short stripes.

Here are my 5-stripe engines with the BP-20 in front.

Pennsy naming scheme:

BF-15: Baldwin Freight 1,500 Hp

BF-16: Baldwin Freight 1,600 Hp

BP-20:  Baldwin Passenger 2,000 Hp

Pennsylvania Railroad Diesel Locomotive Pictorial Volume Four - Baldwin Cab and Transfer Units shows some photographs of BF-15 #9670 and #9671 with the circled keystone and 5 side stripes, but no nose stripes.  The author (John D. Hahn, Jr.) states that, "Early production cab units were delivered without nose striping, which was subsequently applied by PRR shop personnel.

This should mean that at least #9568 through #9575 had no nose stripes as delivered, since they were delivered at the same time or earlier than #9670.

@Bob posted:  This should mean that at least #9568 through #9575 had no nose stripes as delivered, since they were delivered at the same time or earlier than #9670.

  Learn something new every day.

Well, they have nose stripes after all, my model is saved!

@gunrunnerjohn posted:

I guess that makes the Lionel Century Club PRR Sharks a fantasy paint scheme, here I though this was real.

It is real. Its a good model of the prototype!

Do a search: Raymond Loewy, an architect/engineer, Pennsy hired, to make their huge mechanical beasts, acceptable to the public.  The five strip was part of the transformation. IMO, Mike CT.  Weaver did the BP20, 20 plus years ago.  The smaller sharks would be more useful on todays small layouts.  The original Weaver offering was an A-B set. The A-B is over 40 inches. You could purchase an additional A.   Pennsy on the Long Island Railroad used them A-B-A.  Installed with TMCC electronics at the time, the two, (or three units) could be programmed as a consist. IMO mine look good setting on the shelf, takes a large layout, though I have beat mine, around my O54 layouts, with a lot of dents and scratches.   Weaver BP20's had the radiophone antenna.