putting O-Scale tinplate and Standard Gauge tinplate on the same layout? Show me?

STDG on the outside with O-gauge in the middle? The O-gauge will get lost. On a small layout I like the O-gauge in front. Bigger layouts like the California Railroad museum has O-gauge tin in the background to give selective compression. To me one of the best.

BTW you liked the TS video. Check out Tinplate Legends in action series. 

There's always multi-gauge track.

How to make multi-gauge track.

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Scott Smith

I can only run my Standard gauge at Christmas time due to a lack of space.  I also run O gauge with it and personally I don't think its gets lost at all.  Of course they are both simple loops on a 6x12 under the tree layout.

OOPS! I wanted to post another one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10AojneLYN0

Scott,

I don't think I have ever seen your article on making the dual gauge track. 

Jim

that's what I do see

Scott Smith

jd-train posted:

Scott,

I don't think I have ever seen your article on making the dual gauge track. 

Jim

 

Steve Eastman posted and made some 5 rail track step by step on this forum. 

Here is a bit of a walk through on making 5 rail track.

Steve

https://youtu.be/84gGR_fO7ww

Terry, Are there any engines you don't have?? Very impressive!!

JoeG

Gentlemen, all of these wonderful photos, video, and written information is very helpful and truly inspiring. Thank you all so very much for sharing this with me.

I can see that I need to find a tinplate O-scale engine and tender to run a tinplate prewar freight line, and then another O-scale tinplate engine and tender to run a tinplate prewar passenger line. Suggestions?

Here's my setup. Scale is not such a big deal in prewar tinplate (e.g., a 184 Bungalow siting next to a No. 381). Prewar style layouts are usually whimsical abstractions for which "feel" is more important than consistency to a scale. You need look no further than the illustrations in the old Lionel catalogs for examples.

Have fun!

Bob

I've been around tinplate all my life, and we've always had O and SG on the same layout. With tinplate, the whole idea of scale is pretty much thrown out the window anyway, so mixing O & SG shouldn't be an issue.

I'm using USATrack tubular for the Std. Gauge run(s), so what track would be best for the O-scale? My other O-scale projects have Atlas O 3-rail nickel silver, but their brown plastic ties would not go best with the tubular. Gents, what track did you combine on your layouts?

Lionel 031 style track and prewar turnouts would be the closest match to the Standard Gauge track.

031 rails are the same size as Std gauge rails and the ties are usually black also.

Prewar 22 turnouts used the same style switch machine as standard gauge turnouts.

totrainyard posted:

Lionel 031 style track and prewar turnouts would be the closest match to the Standard Gauge track.

031 rails are the same size as Std gauge rails and the ties are usually black also.

Prewar 22 turnouts used the same style switch machine as standard gauge turnouts.

Thank you for the information. Adding that part to a tinplate layout would be a ways off, but I need to know what best to use.

There is a concept in art called "forced perspective", where the size of objects in the foreground and in the background are manipulated in order to fool the eye/brain into believing that "greater depth" exists than actually does.  In practice this concept involves putting larger objects in the foreground and similar but smaller objects in the background. 

Not surprisingly, dual Standard Gauge/O gauge layouts can put this concept to good use by placing Standard Gauge trains and accessories in the foreground and O gauge trains and accessories in the background.  Ideally, the O gauge trains/accessories should be run/located on an elevated platform high enough so that they are easily seen above the Standard Gauge trains/accessories.  This forced perspective combination "tricks" the eye/brain into seeing greater depth on the layout and can really make it "pop".

Bob Nelson

This is an older topic, but I think the subject is still valid.  I do not have more than a few items of Standard gauge.  I am an S gauger, primarily post-war AF, but I have added several items of American Models, S Helper (now MTH) and Lionel Flyer.  I also own some pre-war AF including 3/16 O along with old Marx tin and some Lionel and Atlas O.  My space is very limited, but my dream is to have an interesting compact S gauge layout surrounded by an O gauge loop to run my O gauge stuff and for my O gauger friends to run theirs.

One of the best examples of this kind of two scale combination I have seen was the relatively compact MTH Train Show Display layout before it was redone.  For many years I would see this layout at shows and be impressed at how well the Standard and O gauge trains looked together.  The interior O gauge layout was complex enough to be interesting, while the apparent large size of the Standard gauge was partially and artfully minimized and integrated into the display by the raised O gauge track on one side.

If I could replicate something like this in O and S rather than Standard and O, it would meet my needs.  However, the larger radius of my AF track means that the size of the layout wouldn't scale down much even if the relative  gauges were smaller.  I like the "forced perspective" of the larger gauge out front.

Unfortunately, the last time I saw this layout, it had been greatly modified and simplified to add S and HO gauges to the mix.  Here are a few pix of the old design.

Cheers!

Alan

Actually, the Tinplate era was Beautiful...I love mixing Standard Guage Colorful Accessoreis with my O Guage trains....

Oops!

In looking at my old pix again, I think the MTH display loop had MTH G gauge train and track, not Standard.  But it's the concept we are talking about, right?

Un-observant and with apologies to my Standard and G gauge friends out there, I remain,

Yours truly,

Alan

Other pictures,

I love "forced perspective" layouts.  When I finally get around to building my layout, I am going to build a forced perspective Standard Gauage/O gauge layout. 

Bob Nelson

Carey TeaRose posted:

Gentlemen, all of these wonderful photos, video, and written information is very helpful and truly inspiring. Thank you all so very much for sharing this with me.

I can see that I need to find a tinplate O-scale engine and tender to run a tinplate prewar freight line, and then another O-scale tinplate engine and tender to run a tinplate prewar passenger line. Suggestions?

For an O-gauge tinplate passenger train, the Hiawatha is big enough to hold its own when placed near standard gauge trains.  However, you'll need O-72 curves.  The late-80s remake can be readily found MIB for $400-500, and slightly-used sets can be found for much less.  

Another trick is to use the smaller standard gauge trains - many of them aren't much bigger than O. 

I use tubular track - it looks more appropriate with tinplate trains, and to my eye the difference in gauge is less noticeable than with Fastrack.

hello

I do not have any o gauge tin plate but I run standard gauge and o gauge on the same lay out here are photos of my last lay out . I am in the process of building my current lay out and it will be both

kevin 

Yup, I ran both O gauge and standard gauge on my previous layout.

Lionel scenic railway anyone?

Bill_R posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10AojneLYN0

holycats! fantastic!

NJCJOE posted:

Yup, I ran both O gauge and standard gauge on my previous layout.

fabulous! love it!

Mallard4468 posted:

Carey TeaRose posted:

Gentlemen, all of these wonderful photos, video, and written information is very helpful and truly inspiring. Thank you all so very much for sharing this with me.

I can see that I need to find a tinplate O-scale engine and tender to run a tinplate prewar freight line, and then another O-scale tinplate engine and tender to run a tinplate prewar passenger line. Suggestions?

For an O-gauge tinplate passenger train, the Hiawatha is big enough to hold its own when placed near standard gauge trains.  However, you'll need O-72 curves.  The late-80s remake can be readily found MIB for $400-500, and slightly-used sets can be found for much less.  

Another trick is to use the smaller standard gauge trains - many of them aren't much bigger than O. 

I use tubular track - it looks more appropriate with tinplate trains, and to my eye the difference in gauge is less noticeable than with Fastrack.

that repro Hiawatha passenger set sure looks purty...

Right now, as almost everything is pulled off the table... PLEASE pardon my dust! Could I maybe  fit  a 36" loop of O-scale track on there?? The layout table surface is 8' 10" long x 5' 5-3/4" wide. It ain't getting any larger, not in this little house.

What do y'all think?

Carey TeaRose posted:

NJCJOE posted:

Yup, I ran both O gauge and standard gauge on my previous layout.

fabulous! love it!

NJCJOE, you've got a number of accessories for Std Gauge I'm coveting all over again. What # are the two red open span bridges please- I've forgotten. What # is your O-scale steam Pennsy loco and tender please.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F81tyx-_QSw

check out this YouTube video you'll love it

Carey TeaRose posted:

Right now, as almost everything is pulled off the table... PLEASE pardon my dust! Could I maybe  fit  a 36" loop of O-scale track on there?? The layout table surface is 8' 10" long x 5' 5-3/4" wide. It ain't getting any larger, not in this little house.

What do y'all think?

 

Carey

A loop of 031 would fit nicely inside. Marx 034 would give you a better radius that would still fit, but it is lower profile track. Any of these would decrease the amount of accessories you can fit in. Another option would be to convert one of your existing loops to 5 rail so you could run either.

Steve

I don't know the numbers off hand but the bridges are MTH and the PRR Atlantic was made by Lionel.

always works for me !

Bill_R posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F81tyx-_QSw

check out this YouTube video you'll love it

an amazing layout!!

Steve "Papa" Eastman posted:

Carey TeaRose posted:

Right now, as almost everything is pulled off the table... PLEASE pardon my dust! Could I maybe  fit  a 36" loop of O-scale track on there?? The layout table surface is 8' 10" long x 5' 5-3/4" wide. It ain't getting any larger, not in this little house.

What do y'all think?

 

Carey

A loop of 031 would fit nicely inside. Marx 034 would give you a better radius that would still fit, but it is lower profile track. Any of these would decrease the amount of accessories you can fit in. Another option would be to convert one of your existing loops to 5 rail so you could run either.

Steve

Steve, even my O-scale Polar Express says it needs 36 curves. How can it run on O31??

Have you considered installing an elevated line ?  That may look good using O gauge. Plus there are plenty of neat ideas on the support system. You might design a loop that you can use one of those bridges you like so much.

JohnnieWalker posted:

Have you considered installing an elevated line ?  That may look good using O gauge. Plus there are plenty of neat ideas on the support system. You might design a loop that you can use one of those bridges you like so much.

I tried setting a couple of my o-scale 36 curves at one end of the open table space, no good. An elevated line could be a good solution.

On my old layout I put an 072 O gauge loop on the outside and a Standard gauge loop on the inside of that -I think they were 052 curves. Fit well no problem. but  do you have that much space ??

Carey TeaRose posted:

Right now, as almost everything is pulled off the table... PLEASE pardon my dust! Could I maybe  fit  a 36" loop of O-scale track on there?? The layout table surface is 8' 10" long x 5' 5-3/4" wide. It ain't getting any larger, not in this little house.

What do y'all think?

 

Love the layout Carrie and love the terrace, that's something I hope to be able to add some day it's just a large footprint if I remember right I can relate to your space I'm setting up something that's approximately 12 foot 4 by 8 foot so my space is limited as well but I hope to get two or three levels into it.

Joe Gozzo

Carey TeaRose posted:

Steve "Papa" Eastman posted:

Carey TeaRose posted:

Right now, as almost everything is pulled off the table... PLEASE pardon my dust! Could I maybe  fit  a 36" loop of O-scale track on there?? The layout table surface is 8' 10" long x 5' 5-3/4" wide. It ain't getting any larger, not in this little house.

What do y'all think?

 

Carey

A loop of 031 would fit nicely inside. Marx 034 would give you a better radius that would still fit, but it is lower profile track. Any of these would decrease the amount of accessories you can fit in. Another option would be to convert one of your existing loops to 5 rail so you could run either.

Steve

Steve, even my O-scale Polar Express says it needs 36 curves. How can it run on O31??

Carey, I am assuming you have the boxed Polar Express set with the Berkshire loco. These are semi scale and I would bet it would run on a smaller diameter than 036. It probably came with Fastrak which is why the box would say it runs on 036, that's what they packed it with. The wide roadbed on the Fastrak would also make it more difficult to fit inside your existing loop. Maybe someone else knows if the Polar Express Berkshire will run on 031.

Steve

jim pastorius posted:

On my old layout I put an 072 O gauge loop on the outside and a Standard gauge loop on the inside of that -I think they were 052 curves. Fit well no problem. but  do you have that much space ??

Jim,

Your track arrangement may have fit but with Standard Gauge trains running behind O gauge trains you run contrary to a "forced perspective" layout where large trains run in front of smaller trains giving the layout a feeling of greater depth.

Bob Nelson

At the time the "fit" was more important than the perspective. I really didn't have scenery, just buildings, cars accessories and such. All gone now-just an 8x8" loop  on the carpet but still fun. A true forced perspective would be about 4-5 different gauge loops running.

I have a Loop of 072 on the Outside and 072 Standard on the inside. I also have a loop of 031 around the large scenic plot. 

*BUMP*