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New York & North Shore Traction Company Car southbound to Mineola. This is likely a Kuhlman built car. The Roslyn Clock Tower was a trolley stop and the tower still stands today.

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This may be the same car northbound to Port Washington. It is about to climb a hill and cross Northern Boulevard (Rt 25A).

Have any Kuhlman cars of the early 1900s been saved?

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I have often made posts on this forum begging MTH to market a Rail King Osgood Bradley open car. I realize that a can motor and PS 3 electronics would need to protrude above the floor over and between the car's trucks.  However, the protruding items can easily be hidden by loads of people just in the pictures of the Yale Bowl cars.

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Look at the list of this Yale Bowl car jammed with passengers.

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Tommy posted:

Trolley ambulance.

This pic intrigued me, so I did a bit of research:

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A trolley ambulance at Bartlett Yard in Boston in February 1918. Car #1657 was a nine-bench open car built by American Car and Foundry Company in 1899, and the last of its type in use on the Boston Elevated Railway. In early 1918, it was converted to carry stretchers to transport wounded soldiers from the Boston wharves to inland hospitals. However, the growing popularity of automobiles rendered it ineffective, and no others were built. The car was converted to carry advertising after the war, then burned for scrap at Forest Hills in 1922.

Mitch

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Johnstown Traction 300 Series cars are among my favorites, and two of the Western Hobbycraft models roam my railroad. Here are cars 353, 355 and 357. Several of the 300 Series cars have been saved by museums.

Johnstown No. 355 [1)

Johnstown No. 357 [1)jt353

And here’s Johnstown #350 at the PA Trolley Museum in 2004.  Fortunately it’s now stored indoors and it remains in virtually the same condition as it was in its last days of service in Johnstown.

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Here’s a link to a list with photos of all the equipment in the collection of the Pennsylvania Trolley Museum in Washington, PA: Collection

Bill

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Hello Tom !

I know that area quite well --- I rode that Yonkers Ave TARS Trolley with my uncle back in 1950 and 51 on his day joyride trips with me -- up there usually for him to go to Yonkers Raceway from our Manhattan neighborhood, to bet the horses !  We also rode the TARS Maclean Avenue Trolley line.  To this day I remember those trips clearly !  

Sometimes my uncle  (who never drove nor ever had a car)  and I took the NY Central old MU Commuter train north from the then very dimly lit and dank tunnel station platforms of the NY Central RR Grand Central Terminal -- north to the Yonkers Station and took the Trolley ride westtward from there (and a stop at of course, YONKERS Raceway, heh) . Other times we took the Manhattan 3rd Ave EL train  (MUDC EL Cars)  from our upper East Side EL Station straight up to the Bronx and up to the lower level platforms of the double-decked Gun Hill Road EL Station,  and went to the upper level on that EL Station complex to change to the White Plains Rd EL train (Low-V Subway Cars) further north to its end at E.241st St Terminal Station, and hopped on the White Plains Rd TARS Trolley to W. 1st Street  into Mt Vernon and changed to the Mt. Vernon Ave-Yonkers Avenue TARS trolley westbound  to the Racetrack up by Central Ave.  What great memories of those times and the way things were back then !   We always hit a luncheonette or ice cream parlor for a snack !

Here BELOW is a current close photo of that one-time long ago Gas Station in the scene with the Trolley -- at corner of Ridgefield Ave.

 

Yonkers Av at corner Richfield Ave-2013

Yonkers Avenue in the distance starts an uphill many blocks long "C" shaped right curve,  and an immediate reverse "C" curve and then straight west to top of hill at Central Park Avenue which parallels the NY State Thruway which runs along both side of it in a deep open cut.  I remember when that was simply called CENTRAL Avenue and was just another a wide Avenue and NO Thruway (which is called the Major Deegan Highway in the Bronx).  I remember when the Deegan and Thurway were being constructed thru the early-mid 1950's -- what a mess Central Avenue was then --- my father and his dad and I drove from the Bronx way up into "Westchester County"  to Central Ave into Yonkers to a Food Fair supermarket to shop at times. 

I drove to NYC in August 2015 in very early morning darkness -- hitting the Bronx and driving  up Broadway under the IRT EL to W.242nd St Station terminal (Van Cort Park) and headed further north into Yonkers. I turned east on Yonkers Ave to head towards Mt Vernon, and stopped at the Clairmont Diner at 6AM for breakfast,  across the street from the old Yonkers Raceway -- now Empire City Casino. I then headed east down Yonkers Ave at daybreak -- past the scene in the photo, and across the Bronx River Parkway and thereby into Mt. Vernon,  to check out any NYW&B Railway remains (hardly none left) and entered the Bronx by the ex-NYW&B's still existing part there now operating as the IRT Dyre Ave Line.

Here BELOW are some photos of the TARS streetcar line in my Manhattan area my  3rd Avenue of then back in the 1940's -- seen running under the old IRT 3rd Avenue "EL".

Regards - Joe F 

 

TARS underv 3rd Ave EL StationTARS Trolley under 3rd Ave El-1940's

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Hello Tom !

I know that area quite well --- I rode that Yonkers Ave TARS Trolley with my uncle back in 1950 and 51 on his day joyride trips with me -- up there usually for him to go to Yonkers Raceway from our Manhattan neighborhood, to bet the horses !  We also rode the TARS Maclean Avenue Trolley line.  To this day I remember those trips clearly !  

Sometimes my uncle  (who never drove nor ever had a car)  and I took the NY Central old MU Commuter train north from the then very dimly lit and dank tunnel station platforms of the NY Central RR Grand Central Terminal -- north to the Yonkers Station and took the Trolley ride eastward from there (and a stop at of course, YONKERS Raceway, heh) . Other times we took the Manhattan 3rd Ave EL train  (MUDC EL Cars)  from our upper East Side EL Station straight up to the Bronx and up to the lower level platforms of the double-decked Gun Hill Road EL Station,  and went to the upper level on that EL Station complex to change to the White Plains Rd EL train (Low-V Subway Cars) further north to its end at E.241st St Terminal Station, and hopped on the White Plains Rd TARS Trolley to W. 1st Street  into Mt Vernon and changed to the Mt. Vernon Ave-Yonkers Avenue TARS trolley westbound  to the Racetrack up by Central Ave.  What great memories of those times and the way things were back then !   We always hit a luncheonette or ice cream parlor for a snack !

Here BELOW is a current close photo of that one-time long ago Gas Station in the scene with the Trolley -- at corner of Ridgefield Ave.

 

Yonkers Av at corner Richfield Ave-2013

Yonkers Avenue in the distance starts an uphill many blocks long "C" shaped right curve,  and an immediate reverse "C" curve and then straight west to top of hill at Central Park Avenue which parallels the NY State Thruway which runs along both side of it in a deep open cut.  I remember when that was simply called CENTRAL Avenue and was just another a wide Avenue and NO Thruway (which is called the Major Deegan Highway in the Bronx).  I remember when the Deegan and Thurway were being constructed thru the early-mid 1950's -- what a mess Central Avenue was then --- my father and his dad and I drove from the Bronx way up into "Westchester County"  to Central Ave into Yonkers to a Food Fair supermarket to shop at times. 

I drove to NYC in August 2015 in very early morning darkness -- hitting the Bronx and driving  up Broadway under the IRT EL to W.242nd St Station terminal (Van Cort Park) and headed further north into Yonkers. I turned east on Yonkers Ave to head towards Mt Vernon, and stopped at the Clairmont Diner at 6AM for breakfast,  across the street from the old Yonkers Raceway -- now Empire City Casino. I then headed east down Yonkers Ave at daybreak -- past the scene in the photo, and across the Bronx River Parkway and thereby into Mt. Vernon,  to check out any NYW&B Railway remains (hardly none left) and entered the Bronx by the ex-NYW&B's still existing part there now operating as the IRT Dyre Ave Line.

Here BELOW are some photos of the TARS streetcar line in my Manhattan area my  3rd Avenue of then back in the 1940's -- seen running under the old IRT 3rd Avenue "EL".

Regards - Joe F 

 

TARS underv 3rd Ave EL StationTARS Trolley under 3rd Ave El-1940's

Joe, Ha! Great stuff...Let me know the next time you are in the neighborhood and we can eat lunch at the Clairmont. My wife and I are there once a month or so...love the French Onion soup and the goulash! Since you knew the area, my first job in life, during those crucial life changing Mt. St. Michael years (!), was working at nearby Cross County Shopping Center, working at the now long gone Finast Supermarket. 

On your list of options to travel to the trotters, there could have been another one, which would have probably been pretty direct, Grand Central to Mt. Vernon West station on the Harlem Division followed by riding the TARS west up Yonkers Ave. 

Tom 

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Hello Tom !

I know that area quite well --- I rode that Yonkers Ave TARS Trolley with my uncle back in 1950 and 51 on his day joyride trips with me -- up there usually for him to go to Yonkers Raceway from our Manhattan neighborhood, to bet the horses !  We also rode the TARS Maclean Avenue Trolley line.  To this day I remember those trips clearly !  

Sometimes my uncle  (who never drove nor ever had a car)  and I took the NY Central old MU Commuter train north from the then very dimly lit and dank tunnel station platforms of the NY Central RR Grand Central Terminal -- north to the Yonkers Station and took the Trolley ride westtward from there (and a stop at of course, YONKERS Raceway, heh) . Other times we took the Manhattan 3rd Ave EL train  (MUDC EL Cars)  from our upper East Side EL Station straight up to the Bronx and up to the lower level platforms of the double-decked Gun Hill Road EL Station,  and went to the upper level on that EL Station complex to change to the White Plains Rd EL train (Low-V Subway Cars) further north to its end at E.241st St Terminal Station, and hopped on the White Plains Rd TARS Trolley to W. 1st Street  into Mt Vernon and changed to the Mt. Vernon Ave-Yonkers Avenue TARS trolley westbound  to the Racetrack up by Central Ave.  What great memories of those times and the way things were back then !   We always hit a nearby luncheonette or ice cream parlor for a snack !

Here BELOW is a current close photo of that one-time long ago Gas Station in the scene with the Trolley -- at corner of Ridgefield Ave.

 

Yonkers Av at corner Richfield Ave-2013

Yonkers Avenue in the distance starts an uphill many blocks long "C" shaped right curve,  and an immediate reverse "C" curve and then straight west to top of hill at Central Park Avenue which parallels the NY State Thruway which runs along both side of it in a deep open cut.  I remember when that was simply called CENTRAL Avenue and was just another a wide Avenue and NO Thruway (which is called the Major Deegan Highway in the Bronx).  I remember when the Deegan and Thurway were being constructed thru the early-mid 1950's -- what a mess Central Avenue was then --- my father and his dad and I drove from the Bronx way up into "Westchester County"  to Central Ave into Yonkers to a Food Fair supermarket to shop at times. 

I drove to NYC in August 2015 in very early morning darkness -- hitting the Bronx and driving  up Broadway under the IRT EL to W.242nd St Station terminal (Van Cort Park) and headed further north into Yonkers. I turned east on Yonkers Ave to head towards Mt Vernon, and stopped at the Clairmont Diner at 6AM for breakfast,  across the street from the old Yonkers Raceway -- now Empire City Casino. I then headed east down Yonkers Ave at daybreak -- past the scene in the photo, and across the Bronx River Parkway and thereby into Mt. Vernon,  to check out any NYW&B Railway remains (hardly none left) and entered the Bronx by the ex-NYW&B's still existing part there now operating as the IRT Dyre Ave Line.

Here BELOW are some photos of the TARS streetcar line in my Manhattan area my  3rd Avenue of then back in the 1940's -- seen running under the old IRT 3rd Avenue "EL".

Regards - Joe F 

 

TARS underv 3rd Ave EL StationTARS Trolley under 3rd Ave El-1940's

Joe F

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This is a "headlight" car in 1910. Streetcars at that time had removable headlights, which required constant servicing. They were distributed each night by the headlight car. Note the collection of headlights on the platform.

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Hello Tom !

I know that area quite well --- I rode that Yonkers Ave TARS Trolley with my uncle back in 1950 and 51 on his day joyride trips with me -- up there usually for him to go to Yonkers Raceway from our Manhattan neighborhood, to bet the horses !  We also rode the TARS Maclean Avenue Trolley line.  To this day I remember those trips clearly !  

Sometimes my uncle  (who never drove nor ever had a car)  and I took the NY Central old MU Commuter train north from the then very dimly lit and dank tunnel station platforms of the NY Central RR Grand Central Terminal -- north to the Yonkers Station and took the Trolley ride westward from there (and a stop at of course, YONKERS Raceway, heh) . Other times we took the Manhattan 3rd Ave EL train  (MUDC EL Cars)  from our upper East Side EL Station straight up to the Bronx and up to the lower level platforms of the double-decked Gun Hill Road EL Station,  and went to the upper level on that EL Station complex to change to the White Plains Rd EL train (Low-V Subway Cars) further north to its end at E.241st St Terminal Station, and hopped on the White Plains Rd TARS Trolley to W. 1st Street  into Mt Vernon and changed to the Mt. Vernon Ave-Yonkers Avenue TARS trolley westbound  to the Racetrack up by Central Ave.  What great memories of those times and the way things were back then !   We always hit a luncheonette or ice cream parlor for a snack !

Here BELOW is a current close photo of that one-time long ago Gas Station in the scene with the Trolley -- at corner of Ridgefield Ave.

 

Yonkers Av at corner Richfield Ave-2013

Yonkers Avenue in the distance starts an uphill many blocks long "C" shaped right curve,  and an immediate reverse "C" curve and then straight west to top of hill at Central Park Avenue which parallels the NY State Thruway which runs along both side of it in a deep open cut.  I remember when that was simply called CENTRAL Avenue and was just another a wide Avenue and NO Thruway (which is called the Major Deegan Highway in the Bronx).  I remember when the Deegan and Thurway were being constructed thru the early-mid 1950's -- what a mess Central Avenue was then --- my father and his dad and I drove from the Bronx way up into "Westchester County"  to Central Ave into Yonkers to a Food Fair supermarket to shop at times. 

I drove to NYC in August 2015 in very early morning darkness -- hitting the Bronx and driving  up Broadway under the IRT EL to W.242nd St Station terminal (Van Cort Park) and headed further north into Yonkers. I turned east on Yonkers Ave to head towards Mt Vernon, and stopped at the Clairmont Diner at 6AM for breakfast,  across the street from the old Yonkers Raceway -- now Empire City Casino. I then headed east down Yonkers Ave at daybreak -- past the scene in the photo, and across the Bronx River Parkway and thereby into Mt. Vernon,  to check out any NYW&B Railway remains (hardly none left) and entered the Bronx by the ex-NYW&B's still existing part there now operating as the IRT Dyre Ave Line.

Here BELOW are some photos of the TARS streetcar line in my Manhattan area my  3rd Avenue of then back in the 1940's -- seen running under the old IRT 3rd Avenue "EL".

Regards - Joe F 

 

TARS underv 3rd Ave EL StationTARS Trolley under 3rd Ave El-1940's

Joe, Ha! Great stuff...Let me know the next time you are in the neighborhood and we can eat lunch at the Clairmont. My wife and I are there once a month or so...love the French Onion soup and the goulash! Since you knew the area, my first job in life, during those crucial life changing Mt. St. Michael years (!), was working at nearby Cross County Shopping Center, working at the now long gone Finast Supermarket. 

On your list of options to travel to the trotters, there could have been another one, which would have probably been pretty direct, Grand Central to Mt. Vernon West station on the Harlem Division followed by riding the TARS west up Yonkers Ave. 

Tom 

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 Hello Tom !

Yes, next time I come up there perhaps it will be arranged to be on a weekend or day you are off work.  Lunch sounds good,  perhaps some NYW&B hunting  (not much left to hunt, heh)

I now realize that it WAS the the fairly new Cross County Shopping center (and there was a diner up there we ate at also) in the 1950's that my father, grandpop and I went to -- and that supermarket store WAS "Finast" -- not Food Fair.  The Food Fair was closer to where my father lived in the Bronx near the Polo Shuttle.

Well, its not like I am a Supermarket historian -- but I did get the first letter (F) correct heh !

YES, heh - As we both know, the ACTUAL "Yonkers" Station of the NYCRR is on Dock Street in downtown Yonkers on the HUDSON Mainline of the former NYCRR - now AMCRASH !

I in error seem to always call, as it runs parallel to Bronx River Parkway,  the NY Central RR HARLEM  LINE's "West Mt. Vernon" Station on Mt. Vernon Ave,  the "Yonkers" Station.  As you know -- just a short walk west across the Mt. Vernon Ave. roadway  past (under) the commuter tracks and its overhead West Mt. Vernon Station,   and the roadway bridge over the Parkway Lanes and parallel small Bronx River,  is Bronx River Road (aka Webster Avenue a bit further south) -- and Yonkers begins along its west curb line. 

My uncle, -- who then was a manager of a LOEW'S Theater  in my upper Manhattan neighborhood -  and I  usually walked west over to the beginning of Yonkers Avenue  from the RR Station, where he sometimes took me to a small movie theater there where he knew an employee, perhaps its manager.  We stopped at a very close nearby then-luncheonette or soda shop, whatever, on the uphill curve of Yonkers Ave, near the Theater,  for a snack.  Then we usually caught the TARS Trolley uphill westbound to either ride it to "downtown" Yonkers" or go to the Racetrack at Central Avenue so he could place his bets on the horses ! His brother Townsend was a well known race horse  Sulky Driver -  and they named a tournament class after him when he died decades later.

One day in 1950, he boosted me up to a small stripped, breeze-flapping  awning outside  a small barber shop in the row of small stores on Yonkers Ave just west of Bronx River Road near the Theater.  I had developed somehow,   a childhood slight fear of canvas awnings for some reason, heh  -- and my uncle  told me it was OK, don't be afraid..and to go ahead and feel, touch,  the hanging stripped awning canvas.  Well, I down-yanked  hard on the darned ancient tattered thing and something snapped and part of the awning collapsed slightly !!!! 

Thankfully the Red & Cream TARS trolley was banging across Bronx River Ave on onto Yonkers Ave and groaning up the hill on the curve.  We ran out to the street to catch the trolley as it rattled to its carstop in front of the Theater !  As we both enters the trolley - the doors closed and the barber came running out from his shop waving his arms and yelling ....and we watched him as the trolley groaned and whines on its uphill ride on Yonkers Ave.  Here is a color movie of how it looked to me back then with Trolleys seen running along the curves of Yonkers Avenue.

COLOR MOVIE - TARS Trolleys on Yonkers Avenue

Below  photo in east Yonkers looking Northwest up the curving hill on Yonkers Avenue at Crescent Place (right) in 2014 -- this is a long block west of Bronx River Road and the Mt. Vernon border...

NW on Yonkers Av at Crescent Place-2014TARS Trolley eastbound on curving Yonkers Ave-1940's

 The ABOVE photo is at the same location as top photo - in east Yonkers looking Northwest up the curving hill on Yonkers Avenue at Crescent place (right) with an eastbound TARS # 7 trolley heading downhill towards Bronx River Avenue and Mount Vernon.  This is a short block west just above the Movie theater & Row of Shops (and that broken awning) just behind the photographer  as I mentioned in my message above.  This is exactly how it looked and what I saw in 1950 in this exact area !

Regards - Joe F

 

 

 

 

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As you may recall, the Kimball Theatre and those other few stores was approximately where the photographer in your picture above would have been standing to take that picture.

Unfortunately, as time marches on, the theatre and the handful of stores (i believe they were all mostly long closed) were recently torn down.

http://www.lohud.com/story/new...atre-razed/95374098/

All that was left were the telephone poles with the wanted poster for some young child and an older man who did some 1950's awning vandalism! 

I had seen a few James Bond movies in the 1970's at the Kimball along with a sci-fi "Logan's Run" there.

Sadly, the trolleys in Yonkers were gone before I came along. 

Tom 

Hello Tom 

Here BELOW is the way the scene looked where I broke the awning and we caught the trolley --  I remember that the barber shop was at the end of the row because the wind was blowing south along its east facing side wall and my Uncle and I stood under the awning near the right edge of the right hand window to keep out of the wind flow.  And that awning was flapping. I'm glad that trolley came along when it did - as my uncle (already in his 60's) would have caught hell - or worse - from the barber - heh .  I was just an innocent kid back then, ha ha ...  We ran down hill and caught the trolley about just where my yellow description text line is written on the image

Yes Tom,  Yonkers and Mt Vernon are a sad shadow these days of the once beautiful and great places they were in the 1900's thru early 1960's.  Sad to hear these structures in the photo were demolished...oh well...time marches on and we get older.........  Regards - Joe F

Yonkers Ave where I damaged awning in 1950 as a kid

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