Here is my wish list locomotive for the next Lionel catalog: The 0-10-2. If Lionel has unsold 2-10-10-2's, they could cut them in half and make some of these. I hope Lionel sees this. If you build it, please make it in ATSF or BNSF scheme for my layout. I suppose I could run my decapod backwards to match this, but it is a bit smaller. For more information and pictures of the prototype 0-10-2, go to:
@MI-Marc posted:Here is my wish list locomotive for the next Lionel catalog: The 0-10-2. If Lionel has unsold 2-10-10-2's, they could cut them in half and make some of these. I hope Lionel sees this.
That's not how building a new engine works. They would need to create all new tooling to make it look right and fit the components for making it operate.
@Jack Texas Special posted:I hope that they finish off the train with the remaining 3 cars that have not been cataloged yet (I got these images from my iPhone video):
Heavyweight parlor car for the end of the train
The heavyweight 2 pack due to arrive this month includes Parlor "Pinehurst" and Observation "Roamer".
I agree that Lionel should continue making ACWR cars, I know they have more in their fleet than just the 4 cars Lionel is making.
They have a roster on their website Our Passenger Car Fleet - ACW Railway Company
@rplst8 posted:I’m not interested in anymore K4s unless they fix that gearbox.
I agree.
@EricTrainMan posted:If they did a torpedo the gearbox is probably a non-issue. I’d think they’d just use the Mth torpedo tooling with legacy.
Well, it depends on if they have ever fixed what they were doing wrong. I think in one of the replies on the K4 topic Pat started, there was a slight change on a newer engines(forget what one) but it really didn't solve the gearbox issue as a whole. Yeah, it did make it slightly better than the slippage from the gear stripping K4, but the gear still had some play.
That being said, don't know what the ground up from a Torpedo would be. I would imagine it is the same chassis, so it more than likely would be one to have a good look at of being wary of. Unless Dave has a Demo's with Dave but where he talks about improvements to gearboxes and other nooks and crannies, we should all beware of what will happen to what we want to buy.
The amount of quality control problems over the years is like a crazy stock market chart. It will look like things are okey, then there's a dive, comes back up, then right through the floor. They need to get way better control on that aspect of their business in general.
@Dave NYC Hudson PRR K4 posted:Well, it depends on if they have ever fixed what they were doing wrong. I think in one of the replies on the K4 topic Pat started, there was a slight change on a newer engines(forget what one) but it really didn't solve the gearbox issue as a whole. Yeah, it did make it slightly better than the slippage from the gear stripping K4, but the gear still had some play.
That being said, don't know what the ground up from a Torpedo would be. I would imagine it is the same chassis, so it more than likely would be one to have a good look at of being wary of. Unless Dave has a Demo's with Dave but where he talks about improvements to gearboxes and other nooks and crannies, we should all beware of what will happen to what we want to buy.
The amount of quality control problems over the years is like a crazy stock market chart. It will look like things are okey, then there's a dive, comes back up, then right through the floor. They need to get way better control on that aspect of their business in general.
I agree with you on the QC and the gearbox if they used the theirs from the k4. My point was that unless they’ve been working on their own torpedo, I’d think they’d just use the Mth premier torpedo made in the Mth factory with former Mth tooling. Same as they’ve done with the other former Mth items. Then the gearbox isn’t an issue.
@paigetrain posted:Anybody know if lionel is printing the whole catalog this time ?
Don't know, but I'll bet money and give you odds they don't print the complete catalog.
@EricTrainMan posted:I agree with you on the QC and the gearbox if they used the theirs from the k4. My point was that unless they’ve been working on their own torpedo, I’d think they’d just use the Mth premier torpedo made in the Mth factory with former Mth tooling. Same as they’ve done with the other former Mth items. Then the gearbox isn’t an issue.
Hopefully if they got the right to use the toolings, we can hope.
@gunrunnerjohn posted:Don't know, but I'll bet money and give you odds they don't print the complete catalog.
There had been a topic about that, and I really don't mind if they don't. Sure it is great to have something in your hands, but is it really necessary in the end? Maybe. I don't mind as I can look at it online for a while before getting on in hand.
@EricTrainMan posted:I agree with you on the QC and the gearbox if they used the theirs from the k4. My point was that unless they’ve been working on their own torpedo, I’d think they’d just use the Mth premier torpedo made in the Mth factory with former Mth tooling. Same as they’ve done with the other former Mth items. Then the gearbox isn’t an issue.
That's not a given. The tooling for the current Legacy K4s was formerly K-Line. Granted, the K-Line version wasn't built like a tank, but Lionel added an intermediate gear to that one.
I don't know if we can assume they're not changing current re-releases of MTH tooling internally to suit the Legacy electronics. My guess is since they are using smaller, less torquey motors, they need higher RPMs for good speed control and therefore require a reduction in gearing.
I don't know what came in the original MTH K4 Torpedo, or the upcoming former MTH PRR L1s (which is of a similar size) but maybe we'll get some info when that is released.
@rplst8 posted:That's not a given. The tooling for the current Legacy K4s was formerly K-Line. Granted, the K-Line version wasn't built like a tank, but Lionel added an intermediate gear to that one.
I don't know if we can assume they're not changing current re-releases of MTH tooling internally to suit the Legacy electronics. My guess is since they are using smaller, less torquey motors, they need higher RPMs for good speed control and therefore require a reduction in gearing.
I don't know what came in the original MTH K4 Torpedo, or the upcoming former MTH PRR L1s (which is of a similar size) but maybe we'll get some info when that is released.
Yeah, the L1s should be interesting when someone takes one apart. I hope that one of the forum members that knows the ins and outs of tearing stuff apart will do so and shed some light on these when they arrive.
Until that happens we are at the mercy of whatever comes out with or without any information from Lionel. I do hope that they have changed things up with the gearbox issues for the better, but we won't know until we actually see something that shows it.
@Grampstrains posted:I have seventy-five years worth of catalogs. At one time they had some value but not so much now. Online catalogs offer less clutter. Most of the catalogs are on the LCCA website.
Agreed. The only interest I have in full paper catalogs is for the ones that aren't accessible in electronic (PDF) form. If Lionel ceased allowing the download of the catalogs in PDF form, I would want the option to purchase a full paper copy.
I think Lionel threads should be POSTED using one of the three categories.
True scale rolling stock, engines
Non scale rolling stock, engines
Other
A legacy Commodore Vanderbilt would be cool
i said before that i had a dream that lionel got the coars silver bullet tooling and made some lionchief 2.0 stuff with it that wasn't all beer related
my main wish is that tooling is going to be purchased and recycled by lionel
perhaps a futuristic Area 51 set or the train from Firefly as well as my hotwheels train
perhaps even Batman could use that tooling
@paigetrain posted:i said before that i had a dream that lionel got the coars silver bullet tooling and made some lionchief 2.0 stuff with it that wasn't all beer related
I had heard years ago that the Coors license was no longer effective.
@gunrunnerjohn posted:I had heard years ago that the Coors license was no longer effective.
thats why i was wondering if lionel could use that tooling for Area 51 or Hotwheels or something
i really hope we can get a lionchief plus 2.0 S2 turbine actually made
i was really bummed when the s2 set from last year didn't get made
@Patrick B posted:As long as it's not another reuse of older MTH tooling like the Pennsy S-2 Turbine we had earlier this year.
This is the engine that several of us wanted. It clearly said in the catalog "new tooling." I know you guys know your stuff and I'm extremely disappointed to hear that this in fact, is older MTH tooling. I don't blame Lionel for buying/using it, but I don't want and I don't buy MTH products. For some reason, the set was cancelled. I was hoping it would be offered in 2023...maybe even with some 2400 series passenger cars, but now it's off the table.
What other stuff is out there being made with MTH tooling?
@paigetrain posted:i really hope we can get a lionchief plus 2.0 S2 turbine actually made
i was really bummed when the s2 set from last year didn't get made
I'm with ya Chief...I really wanted that one.
@LS1Heli posted:This is the engine that several of us wanted. It clearly said in the catalog "new tooling." I know you guys know your stuff and I'm extremely disappointed to hear that this in fact, is older MTH tooling. I don't blame Lionel for buying/using it, but I don't want and I don't buy MTH products. For some reason, the set was cancelled. I was hoping it would be offered in 2023...maybe even with some 2400 series passenger cars, but now it's off the table.
What other stuff is out there being made with MTH tooling?
@LS1Heli posted:I'm with ya Chief...I really wanted that one.
You want it, but not if it was formerly owned by MTH?
I don't like MTH products. I remember the turbine when it came out 20 years ago. The Lionel catalog made it sound like it was a new spin on a 671/681/682/2020/8404...not an MTH design.
@paigetrain posted:i said before that i had a dream that lionel got the coars silver bullet tooling and made some lionchief 2.0 stuff with it that wasn't all beer related
my main wish is that tooling is going to be purchased and recycled by lionel
@paigetrain posted:thats why i was wondering if lionel could use that tooling for Area 51 or Hotwheels or something
Unfortunately, Lionel would still need permission from Coors to reuse the Silver Bullet train even if it is not in a Coors theme. Permission is needed because they are using the likeness of the Coors turbine engine which is trademarked.
I asked an MTH rep at a train show about 5 years ago about a remake of the Coors Silver Bullet train, and he said it is very unlikely. When production ceased, Coors was very stern about making sure no more product was produced. I almost got the feeling that MTH didn't own the tooling in the first place but that's my speculation.
@paigetrain posted:i really hope we can get a lionchief plus 2.0 S2 turbine actually made
i was really bummed when the s2 set from last year didn't get made
The S2 Turbine being cancelled didn't surprise me much, I'm actually a bit surprised that Lionel even bought that tooling in the first place. Why buy the miniature non-scale S2 when MTH had a much nicer near scale Imperial Railking S2 that looks much better?
The Lionel price was also off putting for me, the best pre-order price I could find was $675. I bought the MTH bantam S2 turbine set in 2001 new for $285 (MTH MSRP was $350). The MTH set also included track and transformer not included with the LC2 offering.
@H1000 posted:Unfortunately, Lionel would still need permission from Coors to reuse the Silver Bullet train even if it is not in a Coors theme. Permission is needed because they are using the likeness of the Coors turbine engine which is trademarked.
I asked an MTH rep at a train show about 5 years ago about a remake of the Coors Silver Bullet train, and he said it is very unlikely. When production ceased, Coors was very stern about making sure no more product was produced. I almost got the feeling that MTH didn't own the tooling in the first place but that's my speculation.
The S2 Turbine being cancelled didn't surprise me much, I'm actually a bit surprised that Lionel even bought that tooling in the first place. Why buy the miniature non-scale S2 when MTH had a much nicer near scale Imperial Railking S2 that looks much better?
The Lionel price was also off putting for me, the best pre-order price I could find was $675. I bought the MTH bantam S2 turbine set in 2001 new for $285 (MTH MSRP was $350). The MTH set also included track and transformer not included with the LC2 offering.
welp i guess that dream train has derailed
i would still like hotwheels to return tho maybe as a phantom series train i guess as a blue and orange flamed turbine bullet is illegal now
@LS1Heli posted:I'm with ya Chief...I really wanted that one.
I too ordered one of those S2 Turbines. When it was cancelled I searched for the Rail King and found one locally. It was sealed in the box and never run. I just sent it to be converted to TMCC with Turbine sounds. I’ll end up paying about $700 all in and have a terrific locomotive
I was wondering since Lionel has an enormous relationship with Disney as far as that goes, I wonder if they can collaborate with Japanese company Square Enix if they can make any cars and merchandise themed around Kingdom Hearts since there is a 4th game now in development and that it can include the human characters from the games such as Sora, Riku, Kairi, and the Twilight Town gang since the games feature many of the maps found in many of the Disney classics. A New Jersey Transit license would be cool too.
I’m not sure if I’ve chimed in earlier in this thread but at the LCCA Convention last July, the question of their catalogs showing everything they offer is probably not going to happen. This question was asked at the banquet and I think they said you will have to go on-line for everything they offer. Sorry to be the bearer of bad tidings, hopefully they’ll change their minds. I have original Lionel catalogs from 1947 forward, I love their catalogs, especially 1949-50+51-52+53+54-55-56-57-58…… We will know the answer to many of the questions being asked on this thread, Soon. Happy Railroading Everyone
If I'm going for a full fantasy train, I'd love a scale version of the Snowpiercer train.
To be honest, I wouldn't get nearly as excited about the catalog if it was for this thread. First somebody posts the date of release, then all these great product ideas get mentioned, then the rumors of what is coming out get posted. The anticipation is killing me!
I hate to be unexciting but I would love to see some 1920s-1940s era tank cars. I would really love to see the era marked next to the product in the catalog to make it easier for new guys to get the right stuff without having to do so much research.
@paigetrain posted:i would still like hotwheels to return tho maybe as a phantom series train i guess as a blue and orange flamed turbine bullet is illegal now
I forgot all about these. I remember how bad I wanted them when they came out but I was entirely too young to afford them. I wonder if Lionel still has the tooling!
@BillYo414 posted:To be honest, I wouldn't get nearly as excited about the catalog if it was for this thread. First somebody posts the date of release, then all these great product ideas get mentioned, then the rumors of what is coming out get posted. The anticipation is killing me!
I hate to be unexciting but I would love to see some 1920s-1940s era tank cars. I would really love to see the era marked next to the product in the catalog to make it easier for new guys to get the right stuff without having to do so much research.
I forgot all about these. I remember how bad I wanted them when they came out but I was entirely too young to afford them. I wonder if Lionel still has the tooling!
i get you Bill the anticipation is killing me too
ME NEED TRAIN
but 5 and half more days to go and the worst part is i have class all day thursday before i can even peak at ANYTHING meaning i probably won't see that catalog until 3pm at the earliest
the suspense is killer its like a kid at christmas all over again
@seank941 posted:If I'm going for a full fantasy train, I'd love a scale version of the Snowpiercer train.
Now THAT would be "COOL"!!
Great TV series ... now cancelled due to some corporate maneuvering. 
@rthomps posted:Now THAT would be "COOL"!!
Great TV series ... now cancelled due to some corporate maneuvering.
guys i just learned that the snowpiercer couldve almost happened if Germany had won ww2
look up breitspurbahn
i deeply dislike the violence of snowpiercer but a snowpiercer train set would be cool
More WHITE fastrack would be nice.
WHITE 30" straight, 031 curve, 031 switches, 036 switches.
The 031 for small Christmas layouts
Add-on pack of baggage/diner/vista dome for the classic lionel lines green/yellow/grey 2400 passenger cars that they released a few years ago.
Oh one more thing would be a girder bridge with fastrack built-in having lionel written on the sides. I miss that.
From existing tooling- How about Conrail SD40-2Rs which were SD40 rebuilds 6960-6999.
Buffalo and Pittsburgh SD40-3s or SD60Ms would also be cool.
New freight car tooling- 34,000 gal LPG tank cars?
An NYC/P&LE Berkshire— looks like a mini Niagara — MTH made them awhile ago so I assume Lionel has the tooling
