@Ian Munro posted:OGR332 has 3rd Rail advert with a new announcement for a GP30?
I hope not. If so like the C44-9, I wish Scott M the best of luck. In 3 rail a GP30 was already made by MTH, WBB, Lionel and possibly Atlas O soon. Scott's going to rely on his 2 rail crowd for that model.
His best bet really is the F45/FP45/SDP40F or the SDP45 or SD45-2.
A proper RS-3 is in my opinion a no brainer---it would sell very well no doubts
@20centuryhudson posted:A proper RS-3 is in my opinion a no brainer---it would sell very well no doubts
Works very well along side late steam.
A 3rd rail RS-3. The gift that would keep on giving to the maufacture as well as the buyers. For a long, long time.
- Crank
Scott did "Little People"; perhaps he should consider a series of "Little Cars."
We have all been complaining that the selection 1:48 vehicles was almost no existent. In another thread people have stated that lack of 1:48 cars of the 30s, 40s, and even 50s. I think this would be an excellent addition to the GGD product line. We would need super detailed engine and passenger compartments.
Jan
@prrhorseshoecurve posted:I hope not. If so like the C44-9, I wish Scott M the best of luck. In 3 rail a GP30 was already made by MTH, WBB, Lionel and possibly Atlas O soon. Scott's going to rely on his 2 rail crowd for that model.
His best bet really is the F45/FP45/SDP40F or the SDP45 or SD45-2.
Scott has done multiple runs of F3s, F7s, GP7/9s, E7s, E8s, etc... I'm sure he will be fine. There is no GP30 with a fixed pilot, horizontal drive, and cab interior detail anywhere for the 3RS guys. And for us 2R guys I'm fairly sure there was only ever 1 2R GP30 done by Overland. I am ordering as many as I can afford in 2R.
GP30 ….. a nice new offering 👍👍👍👍Attractive to 2 rail AND 3 rail crowd a Plus !!!!!
@jonnyspeed posted:Scott has done multiple runs of F3s, F7s, GP7/9s, E7s, E8s, etc... I'm sure he will be fine. There is no GP30 with a fixed pilot, horizontal drive, and cab interior detail anywhere for the 3RS guys. And for us 2R guys I'm fairly sure there was only ever 1 2R GP30 done by Overland. I am ordering as many as I can afford in 2R.
NJ Custom Brass produced one in the late 70s/early 80s. I have a pair of them.
@PRRMP54 posted:NJ Custom Brass produced one in the late 70s/early 80s. I have a pair of them.
I heard about those. Never seen them though so wasn't gonna claim it. Were they unfinished brass or factory painted? I had the OMI Chessie GP30, and frankly I expect that these will blow the OMI out of the water.
@jonnyspeed posted:I heard about those. Never seen them though so wasn't gonna claim it. Were they unfinished brass or factory painted? I had the OMI Chessie GP30, and frankly I expect that these will blow the OMI out of the water.
I do not remember if they were offered factory-painted, mine were gotten unpainted as I had them custom-painted for a fictitious road. I believe that they were sold with Central Loco Works drives. At least mine have CLW drives.
Waiting patiently for my FP45's
GP30 now showing on 3rd Rail website.
Delighted to see there is a B&O livery available for the GP30s on 3rd Rail's website!
I wish 3rd rail would add Cotton Belt (same as SP- just different lettering) to the GP30. That would make get two.
@Jan posted:Scott did "Little People"; perhaps he should consider a series of "Little Cars."
We have all been complaining that the selection 1:48 vehicles was almost no existent. In another thread people have stated that lack of 1:48 cars of the 30s, 40s, and even 50s. I think this would be an excellent addition to the GGD product line. We would need super detailed engine and passenger compartments.
Jan
I would definitely go for this. For my purposes I would have the hoods shut so I would not need the engine compartments super detailed. I wonder how 1:48 prototypical vehicle replicas would fare in the judgement of a minimum order quantity that would enable their manufacture. I would expect them to be more expensive than the 1:43 scale cars that are so widely available. But the absolute price should be far below a prototypical scale model locomotive or rail car making them more affordable to more people on a per unit basis. I wonder how much that might increase sales volume.
@Blue Streak posted:I wish 3rd rail would add Cotton Belt (same as SP- just different lettering) to the GP30. That would make get two.
Actually, as delivered to the Cotten Belt, their GP30 units were gray, i.e. not looking anything like Southern Pacific.
@Blue Streak posted:I wish 3rd rail would add Cotton Belt (same as SP- just different lettering) to the GP30. That would make get two.
Me too. I did exactly this with 3rd Rails GP9s - though it’s an earlier paint scheme.
They look Great together !!! 😜
Cheers 😉
@Hot Water posted:Actually, as delivered to the Cotten Belt, their GP30 units were gray, i.e. not looking anything like Southern Pacific.
I can’t find anything other than grey with the red nose for the CB GP30. This matches with the SP. Beyond the lettering ID, The CB can be spotted by its early 60’s yellow railings. I think the CB numbers were a bit smaller too.
Would love a Re-run of the Norfolk and Western M Class #475..missed the 1st run.
Still waiting for the Virginian FM Train Master.
Ed
Considering the SP went to the bloody nose scheme in 1959 and the GP30 was introduced in 1961, it makes sense that the Cotton Belt paint scheme would be bloody nose too.
https://ogrforum.ogaugerr.com/...20!!!%20%F0%9F%98%9C
I bought two Cotton Belts GP9's myself & 3 T&P's. I see 3rd Rail added Cotton Belt today to the GP30's.
Jonathan are these going to be as built - With the yellow handrails or later repaints with SP colored handrails? I prefer "As-Built" myself
I have seen a lot of pictures of SP and Cotton Belt side by side and they look pretty close to me. In-fact if you go to Espee.railfan.net they have some pics of Factory shots of SP units and Cotton Belt - Looks like a couple of Doppler Gangers to me.
Time to Pony Up.
Joe
@TrainBub posted:I can’t find anything other than grey with the red nose for the CB GP30. This matches with the SP. Beyond the lettering ID, The CB can be spotted by its early 60’s yellow railings. I think the CB numbers were a bit smaller too.
I don't honestly remember any "red nose", but being on the delivery of those new units, and working out of Pine Bluff, Ark, I know for sure that they were a light gray. I've sold all my color slides, so I'm not able to post photos of those nice new GP30 units.
@Hot Water posted:I don't honestly remember any "red nose", but being on the delivery of those new units, and working out of Pine Bluff, Ark, I know for sure that they were a light gray. I've sold all my color slides, so I'm not able to post photos of those nice new GP30 units.
A good reference I use for SP is “southern Pacific Painting and Lettering Guide” by Cauthen and Signor for the SPHS&TS. Though not GP30s, there are some Cotton Belt pix close to the 30s and text concerning the paint, lettering and handrail color.
Scott has now posted a “starter” image CB in the GP30 offering. It’s grey and has the red nose like the SP.
SSW (not CB) units were the same red and grey as the SP units, but with SSW on the nose and Cotton Belt on the hood.
@Number 90 posted:SSW (not CB) units were the same red and grey as the SP units, but with SSW on the nose and Cotton Belt on the hood.
Yes. 😉 but …… I see variations on the nose - just red, just a number, a number with SSW above the number, just SSW. Cotton Belt on the side.
Perhaps year of paint and diesel type plays a roll. It’s early. Let’s fret the details Later.
@TrainBub posted:A good reference I use for SP is “southern Pacific Painting and Lettering Guide” by Cauthen and Signor for the SPHS&TS. Though not GP30s, there are some Cotton Belt pix close to the 30s and text concerning the paint, lettering and handrail color.
Scott has now posted a “starter” image CB in the GP30 offering. It’s grey and has the red nose like the SP.
But,,,,,,,,,,,,I delivered those units to the Cotten Belt (1962 or 1963) and as delivered they were a lighter gray with no "red nose", to my memory. It is probably difficult to find photos of "as delivered" Cotton Bely GP30s. On the other hand, why would Sunset/3rd Rail offer them as delivered anyway, if that color scheme didn't last long?
@Hot Water posted:But,,,,,,,,,,,,I delivered those units to the Cotten Belt (1962 or 1963) and as delivered they were a lighter gray with no "red nose", to my memory. It is probably difficult to find photos of "as delivered" Cotton Bely GP30s. On the other hand, why would Sunset/3rd Rail offer them as delivered anyway, if that color scheme didn't last long?
Scott seemed to trend towards offering/producing “as delivered” models - but I don’t know if that still the “rule”. I think it’s what the customers want and perhaps what is most often seen or what is the “usual” wins the day to what is offered/delivered. That’s My perception.
It’s early. This will get worked out. In Jonathan We Trust !!!! 😬😉
Waiting for the Amtrak SDPF40F.
I am really surprised at all of the responses to my initial post on this subject that I started. I follow the 3rd Rail site regularly. When the new models indicator on the Reserve Section dipped below 10,it got me wondering at to what might happen. Usually the Reserve Section has 12 or so models. It looks like the interest is there for more quality products from Sunset 3rd Rail.
Another thing that I find to be amazing is Bob Bartizek's knowledge of the Pennsylvania Railroad. His posts dating back to the inception of this forum in 2000 have been truly intuitive and most informative. Bob is a great teacher of everything PRR!
Norm
@Hot Water posted:Actually, as delivered to the Cotten Belt, their GP30 units were gray, i.e. not looking anything like Southern Pacific.
Perhaps they were delivered in primer and the Cotton Belt shops were going to paint the units themselves?
@Texas Eagle 77 posted:Perhaps they were delivered in primer and the Cotton Belt shops were going to paint the units themselves?
No. They were light gray and lettered for Cotton Belt from the factory, when they showed up in Pine Bluff, AR for pre-servicing. Besides, except for one very special occasion, EMD did not ship units in primer.
Again on the espee website I mentioned before there is a EMD photo of 754 at the factory. At least that’s what it says. And if you look close it has the red nose. Maybe some earlier delivered units did not have the red nose when delivered. As far as lighter grey I will have to take your word as I was not around in 1963 and that’s hard to tell on black and white photos. How long after delivery did the grey become the same color as SP?
The EL'3's are up for reservation!
@Trainbros89 posted:The EL'3's are up for reservation!
I'm in . . . reservation submitted. Really looking forward to these.
@BlueFeather posted:I'm in . . . reservation submitted. Really looking forward to these.
Me too! I am trying to spread word about the offering to some N&W/VGN groups that I am apart of to ensure this project gets traction.
Just saw the reservations. I’m in also!!
Any interest in a matching caboose to go with the EL3's??
@Trainbros89 posted:Any interest in a matching caboose to go with the EL3's??
Definitely. I have a pair of wooden C-1s built for me by Brother Love but would totally sign up for a re-run of the Sunset steel C-10s!
@BlueFeather I asked Scott about offering VGN cabooses to go with the EL3's, he said that the orders for the set have been low so far
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