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superwarp1 posted:

It would be really cool if the products in this catalog are made as cataloged, defect free, and painted correctly.  It would be really cool if there are no threads stating this is wrong, that is bad, or Lionel screwed up.  Now wouldn’t that be really cool?

If Lionel had the stuff built right in the first place, there would be no need for the second part of your posting, the REALLY COOL part.

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superwarp1 posted:

It would be really cool if the products in this catalog are made as cataloged, defect free, and painted correctly.  It would be really cool if there are no threads stating this is wrong, that is bad, or Lionel screwed up.  Now wouldn’t that be really cool?

I'm looking forward to the catalog.  While I have had some issues with some recent releases, we need to look forward and see what comes out.  If we are going to come out negative before the catalog even goes live, that serves nobody.  Let's keep positive.  While I have almost everything I want and need, I always look to add to my collection.  Catalog release times are always a lot of fun.  Personally I think the folks at Lionel have learned a lot over the last year so I am looking forward to a better year.  If things are incorrect,  rather than shock and aw, try a less lethal approach.  I guess I am trying to keep the half full attitude rather than half empty.

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MartyE posted:
superwarp1 posted:

It would be really cool if the products in this catalog are made as cataloged, defect free, and painted correctly.  It would be really cool if there are no threads stating this is wrong, that is bad, or Lionel screwed up.  Now wouldn’t that be really cool?

I'm looking forward to the catalog.  While I have had some issues with some recent releases, we need to look forward and see what comes out.  If we are going to come out negative before the catalog even goes live, that serves nobody.  Let's keep positive.  While I have almost everything I want and need, I always look to add to my collection.  Catalog release times are always a lot of fun.  Personally I think the folks at Lionel have learned a lot over the last year so I am looking forward to a better year.  If things are incorrect,  rather than shock and aw, try a less lethal approach.  I guess I am trying to keep the half full attitude rather than half empty.

Agree. This is a good approach....I always enjoy catalog time!

Peter

MartyE posted:
superwarp1 posted:

It would be really cool if the products in this catalog are made as cataloged, defect free, and painted correctly.  It would be really cool if there are no threads stating this is wrong, that is bad, or Lionel screwed up.  Now wouldn’t that be really cool?

I'm looking forward to the catalog.  While I have had some issues with some recent releases, we need to look forward and see what comes out.  If we are going to come out negative before the catalog even goes live, that serves nobody.  Let's keep positive.  While I have almost everything I want and need, I always look to add to my collection.  Catalog release times are always a lot of fun.  Personally I think the folks at Lionel have learned a lot over the last year so I am looking forward to a better year.  If things are incorrect,  rather than shock and aw, try a less lethal approach.  I guess I am trying to keep the half full attitude rather than half empty.

Marty, 

Half full or half empty isn't relevant. How's Lionel trending is my concern. Better or worse? Can they end all the color/quality issues of these past few years?     

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Putnam Division posted:
MartyE posted:
superwarp1 posted:

It would be really cool if the products in this catalog are made as cataloged, defect free, and painted correctly.  It would be really cool if there are no threads stating this is wrong, that is bad, or Lionel screwed up.  Now wouldn’t that be really cool?

I'm looking forward to the catalog.  While I have had some issues with some recent releases, we need to look forward and see what comes out.  If we are going to come out negative before the catalog even goes live, that serves nobody.  Let's keep positive.  While I have almost everything I want and need, I always look to add to my collection.  Catalog release times are always a lot of fun.  Personally I think the folks at Lionel have learned a lot over the last year so I am looking forward to a better year.  If things are incorrect,  rather than shock and aw, try a less lethal approach.  I guess I am trying to keep the half full attitude rather than half empty.

Agree. This is a good approach....I always enjoy catalog time!

Peter

While I'm looking forward to this catalog, hopefully milk cars will be in it.  I can't take a less lethal approach.  I've been burned to many times, like so many others over the years.  When Lionel's issues are in the past and no longer a concern then I can take a deep breath but first Lionel has to prove to all of use they can make a good product.  It's in their court, I don't have the money to HOPE things will get better, Lionel needs to prove it to us.

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Well as much as I griped about my issues I always tried to maintain a level head.  I plan on continuing that plan.  I would be lying if there were sometimes I would have enjoyed the lethal approach but that doesn't do any good either.

Back to the catalog, I am interested to see some of the new licenses that Lionel has acquired.  I really hope they are some cool ones.  I doubt I'm in for any big steamers or hi end diesels.  As always I welcome some scale Polar Express stuff and even though they cataloged a Bay Window caboose as a teaser, I hope they redo the N5B again.  Maybe with a camera in it.

Yes I too have had my problems with some things Lionel has put out.  But in speaking with them on the phone and being civil, I always got wrong made right.  To this I thank Lionel.

I am looking forward to seeing what Lionel is coming out with next.  Always fun to see even if they don’t have the right colors or if it doesn’t sound right, it is still fun. Things like colors and sounds can be fixed.  Innovation, is what I would like seeing.  What can they push the envelope in doing with model trains.  We have seen so much come through in the past twenty years, some good some not so.  But having sounds on steamers with creeks and groans of steel at slows speeds, whistle steam, quill able whistles, etc, this is good stuff.  Going from TMCC to Legacy, the list is quite impressive.  Coming out with LionChief and LionChief+, pretty cool. What will we see in the future?  Time will tell. It just might be in the next catalog?  Stay tuned...

Important to distinguish that some of the problems (perhaps most) are real (mechanical failures; clearcut discrepancies of color) and some reflect the (sometimes unreasonable) expectations of hobbyists.  The latter examples includes the recent insistence that "my view of what stainless steel should look like is right and Lionel's approach is wrong" and "my view of what shade of red is appropriate for the N&W J is different from photos that Lionel used."  The former are real problems that everyone can agree on (mechanical failure) and the latter are more matters of opinion (or user error/irrationality).

Well, I hope that they have the catalogs in store in time for the "live" release. I know a couple of years ago it was some time after "live" that dealers finally got hard copy catalogs in stock. Some creative things came about by not having them there. I doubt that this would be an issue to most of us, I usually bring a typed out list with page numbers included with everything else that matters so nothing gets missed 

I really do hope there are some great things coming even if they aren't my cup of tea. Some of the releases over the past few years were really great and even if I didn't buy them, I appreciated what they were. I am a steamhead, and always will be but there are a few Diesel's I would buy if they ran them.

I could always use more cabooses, tank cars(older ones from the 1920-1940's) and who doesn't like a bunch of good boxcars. There are probably a few other things I would like to see as far as rolling stock, but I usually let the catalog try and dazzle me with those.

A few good steam engines would be great whether VL or Legacy, but whatever they come up with could be great. Not sure what they will be, but if NYC or PRR, I'll definitely be considering it that much is certain. There are a few other RR's I like, but they will have to compete with the aforementioned to see what I get.

Dave NYC Hudson PRR K4 posted:

Well, I hope that they have the catalogs in store in time for the "live" release. I know a couple of years ago it was some time after "live" that dealers finally got hard copy catalogs in stock. Some creative things came about by not having them there. I doubt that this would be an issue to most of us, I usually bring a typed out list with page numbers included with everything else that matters so nothing gets missed 

I really do hope there are some great things coming even if they aren't my cup of tea. Some of the releases over the past few years were really great and even if I didn't buy them, I appreciated what they were. I am a steamhead, and always will be but there are a few Diesel's I would buy if they ran them.

I could always use more cabooses, tank cars(older ones from the 1920-1940's) and who doesn't like a bunch of good boxcars. There are probably a few other things I would like to see as far as rolling stock, but I usually let the catalog try and dazzle me with those.

A few good steam engines would be great whether VL or Legacy, but whatever they come up with could be great. Not sure what they will be, but if NYC or PRR, I'll definitely be considering it that much is certain. There are a few other RR's I like, but they will have to compete with the aforementioned to see what I get.

An employee at Trainland / Trainworld told me hard copy available in February /

I think items, especially high end should be painted according to any prototype out there or paint chip, balanced to normal daylight.  And put that notice in the catalog, and on the net version.  

Even something painted the right colors ballanced for daylight is going to look different under a light nallanced for something else.

This way, Lionel, or any importer can cut down problems from the get go.

Now, if Lionel wants to produce liveries never done, they can go for it....

VistaDomeScott posted:
Dj'sOgaugetrains posted:

I’m hoping for some penn central E7’s with a super bass unit. Also a Duluth Missabe & Northern 2-8-8-2 with whistle steam. I’m hoping to see the 2-8-8-2’s issued again in some of those odd ball road names. 

Penn Central had E-8's.  Lionel made E-8's in PC.20180322_211037

Nice PC E units.  People will hate this, but the mating worms look good on these locomotived

VistaDomeScott posted:
Dj'sOgaugetrains posted:

I’m hoping for some penn central E7’s with a super bass unit. Also a Duluth Missabe & Northern 2-8-8-2 with whistle steam. I’m hoping to see the 2-8-8-2’s issued again in some of those odd ball road names. 

Penn Central had E-8's.  Lionel made E-8's in PC.20180322_211037

PC also had E7's.  If one ever saw a picture of an A-B-A consist, the B unit was an E7B, as PRR or NYC never purchased E8 B units.  

I would be in for a set of PC E7's.  I missed out on the E8's.  They are a nice looking locomotive.

Tom

PSU1980 posted:

I am still waiting for the Milk cars I ordered 3 years ago from one of the TCA Divisions, I am beginning to think they will arrive when I dead. Every few months we get an email saying they are coming, I don't  believe that story anymore.

As long as you don't die in the near future, I think your statement will be proven incorrect. Hope springs eternal! 

Norton posted:

3rd Rail didn't want to remake the NYC E7s (not E6, not E8 or E9) in the Beauty Queen paint scheme even after multiple requests to Scott but Lionel could do it. MTH did the E6s but NYC never had thoe. These are my stand ins until someone steps up to the plate.

Pete

Pete,

Sadly it won't be Lionel either, at least not this time.  Even though it isn't the Beauty Queen paint scheme, the most recent 3rd Rail NYC E7 is spectacular in every way, especially in color and road specific detail.

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