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Norton posted:

Not so smart actually. They were not made very well. They were somewhat unique for their time with a lot of detail but they are very fragile. Nothing like 3rd Rails brass version. The CCII engine is very solid. Give it 4 chuffs and it would be near the equal of a Legacy engine. 

That whistle steam will cost you a grand more than the CCII engine. 

Pete

OK, I need to buy a vowel.  The CCII engine was the Empire State Express.

Is that essentially the same as the Dreyfuss?  To me they look distinctly different.

Not that I'm rooting against it for you guys who would like it, but the Dreyfuss was always one of my least favorite engines due to the ridge down the middle of the boiler front.  (I don't pretend to be a prototype expert, so I'm not going to try to guess the right name for that feature) 

Point is, I've got all the CCII engines, and I'd remember if a Dreyfuss was one of them.  Pretty sure it was not!

-Dave

Dave, no, you are correct. I think Norton was just a bit confused on the CC2 offerings. The Dreyfus in question is/was not a CC2 offering, nor has it been released since Legacy has been available, thus, this could be a good candidate for a new release.

In Nortons response he was responding to someone who posted the even older Dreyfus made by a company for Lionel, both in 2 rail and 3 rail. However, like Norton said, it is a bit dated now and again, maybe a good candidate for Lionel to manufacture.

My hope is that if the Dreyfus Hudson is released, it matches the prior Lionel Dreyfus in terms of color. Grey is a really difficult color to match especially over a period of almost 20 years!

Someone posted earlier about the Sunset 3rd Rail offering, but the engine cannot  pull the 12 car consist, the Lionel (and MTH could). Again however, if the colors don't match (which they don't) it really is up to the manufacture to make whole train at the same time.

Charlie

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Too obvious.  Did not think it would be an Acela👍

Haha.  Maybe off by a couple decades but on the right trak.    

Hasn't Ryan already said (in his Toy Train Museum speech last year) that Lionel was working on a re-issue of the current Acela before the prototype's retirement, which I think is scheduled for later this year? As they are recycling tooling and the Acela tooling was elaborate and no doubt costly to produce, I'd have thought they'd want to make use of it again. 

A Legacy Acela was cataloged several years ago - without the tilt function or IR connectors for the door mechanisms - but never made. 

I know that the mere mention of Acela is a red rag to many of us but the passenger car detail was the finest Lionel has produced.

More Halloween, please.  I have a train room full of Halloween items (the Lionel Halloween locs with Legacy are incredible), but more COULD be better.  

We need () more arcane Southern Pacific locs.  

And, of course, maybe Lionel worked out a licensing deal on SPY v. SPY.  My money is on the table for any higher-end "SPY" product.  

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I think the whole mike car thing has been made pretty clear directly from Lionel. While the mike cars were very highly accurate models, the intention was to move production away from China. This was one product that got caught in the move, there might be more, I don't know.  According to Ryan (maybe Dave) the tooling was the hold-up and still is.

The last thing I remember Ryan stating was that for the project to move forward, new (read expensive) tooling was going to be needed, and that was not going to happen anytime soon. Maybe moving from China is not as easy as some would have us think.

My guess is that Lionel really tried and wanted to use the most excellent tooling already available and held off on making new products until all avenues to get the old tooling back in use, were exhausted.

As much as it might hurt, maybe it's time to just cancel the car.

Charlie

Charlie posted:

I think the whole mike car thing has been made pretty clear directly from Lionel. While the mike cars were very highly accurate models, the intention was to move production away from China. This was one product that got caught in the move, there might be more, I don't know.  According to Ryan (maybe Dave) the tooling was the hold-up and still is.

The last thing I remember Ryan stating was that for the project to move forward, new (read expensive) tooling was going to be needed, and that was not going to happen anytime soon. Maybe moving from China is not as easy as some would have us think.

My guess is that Lionel really tried and wanted to use the most excellent tooling already available and held off on making new products until all avenues to get the old tooling back in use, were exhausted.

As much as it might hurt, maybe it's time to just cancel the car.

Charlie

I don't have any particular inside information, but I suspect the milk car situation may (hopefully) be close to being resolved.

The reason I suggest that is that one of the train clubs of which I order their fund-raising cars just announced a milk car as their offering for this year.  Now that may mean still a year out for delivery (not uncommon for special run cars), but I sort of doubt they would have arranged with Lionel to offer a milk car if the situation had no hope.  (and I also doubt Lionel would have even considered letting them offer it, if there was no hope of doing the car in the not too distant future - that would do no one any good)

If that is correct, it would not be shocking to see some milk cars in the catalog.

-Dave

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Dave45681 posted:
Charlie posted:

I think the whole mike car thing has been made pretty clear directly from Lionel. While the mike cars were very highly accurate models, the intention was to move production away from China. This was one product that got caught in the move, there might be more, I don't know.  According to Ryan (maybe Dave) the tooling was the hold-up and still is.

The last thing I remember Ryan stating was that for the project to move forward, new (read expensive) tooling was going to be needed, and that was not going to happen anytime soon. Maybe moving from China is not as easy as some would have us think.

My guess is that Lionel really tried and wanted to use the most excellent tooling already available and held off on making new products until all avenues to get the old tooling back in use, were exhausted.

As much as it might hurt, maybe it's time to just cancel the car.

Charlie

I don't have any particular inside information, but I suspect the milk car situation may (hopefully) be close to being resolved.

The reason I suggest that is that one of the train clubs of which I order their fund-raising cars just announced a milk car as their offering for this year.  Now that may mean still a year out for delivery (not uncommon for special run cars), but I sort of doubt they would have arranged with Lionel to offer a milk car if the situation had no hope.  (and I also doubt Lionel would have even considered letting them offer it, if there was no hope of doing the car in the not too distant future - that would do no one any good)

If that is correct, it would not be shocking to see some milk cars in the catalog.

-Dave

When we see the catalog on Monday, we'll all know if there's a future for Milk Reefers.  The number of Milk Reefers in the 2020 catalog (or lack thereof) will immediately tell you if the Milk Reefers are a go or if they're a no-go.

Seriously, in 4 days, it will be painfully obvious.

Stu

Good information, if the Milk car can get done with the original tooling that will be very much welcome news. FYI, this Milk Car tooling was every bit a JLC/Vision level piece of rolling stock if there was such a category. When I see P48 guys (not just two rail guys) modifying the various rolling stock that started life as a Lionel product, I think that speaks volumes as to fidelity accuracy of the car.

Charlie

falconservice posted:

I am concerned that they will duplicate GP7 and GP9 diesel loco less commonly produced railroad schemes that 3rd Rail might also produce, such as the Grand Trunk Western.

I talked with Scott Mann recently and there are not near enough orders for the GTW GP9. I'm hoping Lionel steps up.

richtrow posted:
falconservice posted:

I am concerned that they will duplicate GP7 and GP9 diesel loco less commonly produced railroad schemes that 3rd Rail might also produce, such as the Grand Trunk Western.

I talked with Scott Mann recently and there are not near enough orders for the GTW GP9. I'm hoping Lionel steps up.

With BTO then it seems to be a no brainer that Lionel would also pass on this offering.

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