Gilly@N&W posted:

OK, what's with the N&W dome car in UP livery? I must have missed the memo on that paint scheme.

From utahrails.net :

Dome Coach -- 1 car
Pullman-Standard, 1958
Lightweight

Car
Number
Notes and Disposition
WAB 203to Norfolk & Western 1613, to Southern 1613, to Quebec North Shore & Labrador

Wabash 203 was built in November 1958 at the same time as UP 7011-7015, which were themselves the last dome cars built for Union Pacific. Wabash 203, and UP 7011-7015, were initially assigned to City of St. Louis service, with Wabash 203 being in full UP yellow and gray colors, but with its Wabash name spelled out in UP's distinctive red lettering.

Wabash was leased to N&W in 1964, and the car became N&W 1613 in March 1966. The car remained in UP colors, with Norfolk & Western spelled out, until it was repainted to N&W's Blue and Aluminum colors upon the cancellation of the City of St. Louis pool in (?). Sold to Central of Georgia 1613 in 1970, to Southern 1613 in 1971 after Amtrak brought an end to Central of Georgia's passenger service. Car sold during 1979 to Quebec North Shore & Labrador; repainted boxcar brown as QNS&L 13510; repainted in 1993 into a new silver and red scheme.

"A man has got to know his limitations."  - Harry Callahan

Dave Warburton posted:

A surprising amount of HO in this catalog. I am surprised that Lionel is jumping into HO again as big as they are. Both previous attempts (1950s and 1970s) failed. Maybe the third time is the charm?

Well, HO is where brand loyalty isn't as prevalent as it is in O.  Given there are already well established product offerings for all interests it will be interesting to see if Lionel can gain a foothold.

It's interesting that according to the catalog description, the HO Berks are being upgraded to "prototypical pilot and front end details and additional boiler details and separate handrails."  Guess Lionel figured out that a relettered Polar Express basic Berk isn't going to cut it in the competitive HO world.  Wonder if it will also get full valve gear.

Most of the freight cars are descended from old Marx tooling that Model Power owned.  The have basic detailing that won't attract the serious HO modeler.  The Pennsy style caboose is ex-Model Power and the Harriman passenger cars are ex-Model Power knock-offs of MDC cars.

Rusty

Ok I have a question about the showing of the up excursion cars. I see that there is a 3 pack and then a 4 pack. Both have the same price tag, but there is one car less I the 3 pack. What’s up? Also, when I looked in the Norfolk and western passenger cars the 4 pack is priced higher than the up 4 pack. Again what’s up? Finally, why did Lionel not show all of the cars in the packs like the Norfolk and western cars? Hope y’all can help. 

Super O Bob posted:
trainroomgary posted:

I always go for the local road names, but I did notice that this locomotive does not have Bluetooth. Hopefully this is just a printing error.

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Gary

Hi Gary...  reading the caption, it says "bluetooth is now included".

Its also called out in the standard Legacy features list on pg28.

So it has it...

Hi Bob: "Got it"

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Thanks: Gary - Now with my reading glasses on.......

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One thing I noticed is that on the list of feature icons on the top of the page that the Bluetooth icon is first and not the Legacy icon anymore.  It rather speaks to the direction Lionel is going, which makes me sad.  Trying to run trains with my phone and BT has been nothing short of frustrating, but I know when I pick up the Cab 2 (Or even the Cab-1) I know I'm in for a pleasant operating session.

sinclair posted:

One thing I noticed is that on the list of feature icons on the top of the page that the Bluetooth icon is first and not the Legacy icon anymore.  It rather speaks to the direction Lionel is going, which makes me sad.  Trying to run trains with my phone and BT has been nothing short of frustrating, but I know when I pick up the Cab 2 (Or even the Cab-1) I know I'm in for a pleasant operating session.

Same. What bothers me is the fact that the RTR train sets don't have the TMCC feature. If I was just starting out and purchased a set then got a legacy remote and engine. I'd want to use the legacy remote to run that train. Yes, LC+2.0 gives you that option but why isn't it on a RTR set, the typical starting point in the hobby. If Lionel wants a seamless transition between train set and legacy, this certainly doesn't do it. Unless Lionel is planning to make a Cab-3 with Bluetooth that would allow both to run on the same remote as everything else but what do I know. 

Trainmaster04 posted:

Ok I have a question about the showing of the up excursion cars. I see that there is a 3 pack and then a 4 pack. Both have the same price tag, but there is one car less I the 3 pack. What’s up? 

They are not 3 and 4 car sets. They are 2 car expansion sets. So 2 cars in Expansion set #3 and 2 cars in expansion set #4. Hope that makes since

20190712_015859~01I ordered the F7 Great Northern / BN A-A pair.  Thats all folks.

I was going to order 3 or 4 dome cars and a box car but I am not paying for cameras I DO NOT WANT.  I also do not want the sounds in a box car, diner, or any other item Lionel adds a $10 camera in so they can charge locomotive prices for one plastic passenger car.  Really annoys me!!!

Cheaper to keep having Christine custom paint previously made sets.  

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VistaDomeScott posted:

20190712_015859~01I ordered the F7 Great Northern / BN A-A pair.  Thats all folks.

I was going to order 3 or 4 dome cars and a box car but I am not paying for cameras I DO NOT WANT.  I also do not want the sounds in a box car, diner, or any other item Lionel adds a $10 camera in so they can charge locomotive prices for one plastic passenger car.  Really annoys me!!!

Cheaper to keep having Christine custom paint previously made sets.  

Those are on my list as well along with the two B units. Do you know if they were run like that in a AA prototypical fashion. I can find pictures of both, but not in an AA together.

Gilly@N&W posted:

OK, what's with the N&W dome car in UP livery? I must have missed the memo on that paint scheme.

City of St Louis pool

There was also an armour yellow PRR sleeper for the same pool. I went looking for decals for it and couldn’t find them. The car has been made in HO

 

 

"Of course we know its O-gauge or no gauge." -- Sheldon Cooper

trainroomgary posted:
Super O Bob posted:
trainroomgary posted:

I always go for the local road names, but I did notice that this locomotive does not have Bluetooth. Hopefully this is just a printing error.

2019 V 2 Ford Swither

Gary

Hi Gary...  reading the caption, it says "bluetooth is now included".

Its also called out in the standard Legacy features list on pg28.

So it has it...

Hi Bob: "Got it"

Closeup Bluetooth

Thanks: Gary - Now with my reading glasses on.......

Yea baby...  such nice switchers!

Bob

Lionel Fan and Super "O" Track Enthusiast

sinclair posted:

One thing I noticed is that on the list of feature icons on the top of the page that the Bluetooth icon is first and not the Legacy icon anymore.  It rather speaks to the direction Lionel is going, which makes me sad.  Trying to run trains with my phone and BT has been nothing short of frustrating, but I know when I pick up the Cab 2 (Or even the Cab-1) I know I'm in for a pleasant operating session.

Smart Phones are for stock prices, and ogr forum...  not running my trains!  Cab2 only for Superobob...

Bob

Lionel Fan and Super "O" Track Enthusiast

Super O Bob posted:
sinclair posted:

One thing I noticed is that on the list of feature icons on the top of the page that the Bluetooth icon is first and not the Legacy icon anymore.  It rather speaks to the direction Lionel is going, which makes me sad.  Trying to run trains with my phone and BT has been nothing short of frustrating, but I know when I pick up the Cab 2 (Or even the Cab-1) I know I'm in for a pleasant operating session.

Smart Phones are for stock prices, and ogr forum...  not running my trains!  Cab2 only for Superobob...

Bob,

I totally agree with You!! 

Fred

VistaDomeScott posted:

20190712_015859~01I ordered the F7 Great Northern / BN A-A pair.  Thats all folks.

I was going to order 3 or 4 dome cars and a box car but I am not paying for cameras I DO NOT WANT.  I also do not want the sounds in a box car, diner, or any other item Lionel adds a $10 camera in so they can charge locomotive prices for one plastic passenger car.  Really annoys me!!!

Cheaper to keep having Christine custom paint previously made sets.  

Scott...  sweet choice...

I think only one UP vista dome has a camera...  the others in FT set and 2packs appear to not have cameras.

I would think a guy with your handle would be all about watching the layout from a model vistadome!

 

Bob

Lionel Fan and Super "O" Track Enthusiast

Fredstrains posted:
Super O Bob posted:
sinclair posted:

One thing I noticed is that on the list of feature icons on the top of the page that the Bluetooth icon is first and not the Legacy icon anymore.  It rather speaks to the direction Lionel is going, which makes me sad.  Trying to run trains with my phone and BT has been nothing short of frustrating, but I know when I pick up the Cab 2 (Or even the Cab-1) I know I'm in for a pleasant operating session.

Smart Phones are for stock prices, and ogr forum...  not running my trains!  Cab2 only for Superobob...

Bob,

I totally agree with You!! 

Fred

Fred...  there is NOTHING like the feeling I get from my Cab2 throbbing in my hand cracking the power up on my Vision Big Boy!

Thanks Neil Young!

Bob

Lionel Fan and Super "O" Track Enthusiast

zhubl posted:
Trainmaster04 posted:

Ok I have a question about the showing of the up excursion cars. I see that there is a 3 pack and then a 4 pack. Both have the same price tag, but there is one car less I the 3 pack. What’s up? 

They are not 3 and 4 car sets. They are 2 car expansion sets. So 2 cars in Expansion set #3 and 2 cars in expansion set #4. Hope that makes since

Yeah now it does. Thanks for explaining it to me. Now I don’t know what to get. Oh well maybe I will just get the experience car to go behind my 4014. 

VistaDomeScott posted:

20190712_015859~01I ordered the F7 Great Northern / BN A-A pair.  Thats all folks.

I was going to order 3 or 4 dome cars and a box car but I am not paying for cameras I DO NOT WANT.  I also do not want the sounds in a box car, diner, or any other item Lionel adds a $10 camera in so they can charge locomotive prices for one plastic passenger car.  Really annoys me!!!

Cheaper to keep having Christine custom paint previously made sets.  

Those are some sweet looking units! I’m considering getting the Rio Grande version.

Ok now I have a question for you all. I have a 4014 and I would like to get some of the new passenger cars to go behind it. My question is should I get just the experience car or should I get more than just that. I should also mention that I have a limited budget. Have at it. 

Trainmaster04 posted:

Ok now I have a question for you all. I have a 4014 and I would like to get some of the new passenger cars to go behind it. My question is should I get just the experience car or should I get more than just that. I should also mention that I have a limited budget. Have at it. 

Anyone please feel free to correct me.  I believe 4014 did not have the componentry a to heat passenger cars, therefore it was used for freight use. As far as the experience car, I think you’re referring to excursion, correct? If between those two sets of cars, excursion or Challenger you may want to look at some threads or topics describing the differences between the two. I take it from what I’ve read, that the challengers are done better.   If you stay prototypical, freight cars. You can purchase them one or two at a time and that will help your budget. 

Bryant

TCA 18-73717

Bryant Dunivan 111417 posted:
Trainmaster04 posted:

Ok now I have a question for you all. I have a 4014 and I would like to get some of the new passenger cars to go behind it. My question is should I get just the experience car or should I get more than just that. I should also mention that I have a limited budget. Have at it. 

Anyone please feel free to correct me.  I believe 4014 did not have the componentry a to heat passenger cars, therefore it was used for freight use. As far as the experience car, I think you’re referring to excursion, correct? If between those two sets of cars, excursion or Challenger you may want to look at some threads or topics describing the differences between the two. I take it from what I’ve read, that the challengers are done better.   If you stay prototypical, freight cars. You can purchase them one or two at a time and that will help your budget. 

Thanks for your thoughts. Yes I am talking about the excursion car sets and the special baggage car. The baggage car is the special car that UP turned into a moving history museum. They took to Ogden and I was able to see it. I already have a good collection of pfe reefers so freight cars for my big boy are done. Know I’ve trying to get some passenger cars to match it and trying to make a decision on which two pack to get. Thanks. 

I really like that Lionel is doing the Ford S-2, but I wish they were doing it in it's original scheme (and the scheme it is being restored to); Lehigh New England 611

-Michael R.

 

TCA 10-65677

 

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Trainmaster04 posted:
Bryant Dunivan 111417 posted:
Trainmaster04 posted:

Ok now I have a question for you all. I have a 4014 and I would like to get some of the new passenger cars to go behind it. My question is should I get just the experience car or should I get more than just that. I should also mention that I have a limited budget. Have at it. 

Anyone please feel free to correct me.  I believe 4014 did not have the componentry a to heat passenger cars, therefore it was used for freight use. As far as the experience car, I think you’re referring to excursion, correct? If between those two sets of cars, excursion or Challenger you may want to look at some threads or topics describing the differences between the two. I take it from what I’ve read, that the challengers are done better.   If you stay prototypical, freight cars. You can purchase them one or two at a time and that will help your budget. 

Thanks for your thoughts. Yes I am talking about the excursion car sets and the special baggage car. The baggage car is the special car that UP turned into a moving history museum. They took to Ogden and I was able to see it. I already have a good collection of pfe reefers so freight cars for my big boy are done. Know I’ve trying to get some passenger cars to match it and trying to make a decision on which two pack to get. Thanks. 

I don’t have pictures, but I have run 4005 with Challenger set and Excursion theater at the end.  Either set will look very nice.  If the special baggage car is the one with the print on the side, I am probably a player.  It does look good.  You have good taste.  I hope Lionel is done with Excursion and Challenger.  Complete set  covers 2/3rds of my outer loop.

Bryant

TCA 18-73717

Super O Bob posted:
VistaDomeScott posted:

20190712_015859~01I ordered the F7 Great Northern / BN A-A pair.  Thats all folks.

I was going to order 3 or 4 dome cars and a box car but I am not paying for cameras I DO NOT WANT.  I also do not want the sounds in a box car, diner, or any other item Lionel adds a $10 camera in so they can charge locomotive prices for one plastic passenger car.  Really annoys me!!!

Cheaper to keep having Christine custom paint previously made sets.  

Scott...  sweet choice...

I think only one UP vista dome has a camera...  the others in FT set and 2packs appear to not have cameras.

I would think a guy with your handle would be all about watching the layout from a model vistadome!

 

Bob,

 The individual Southern, auto-train, Amtrak, and N&W in UP paint are camera cars.  I think Lionel should offer a choice on camera or no camera.  I haven't even tried out the camera track inspection theater car yet.

Scott

Bryant Dunivan 111417 posted:
Trainmaster04 posted:
Bryant Dunivan 111417 posted:
Trainmaster04 posted:

Ok now I have a question for you all. I have a 4014 and I would like to get some of the new passenger cars to go behind it. My question is should I get just the experience car or should I get more than just that. I should also mention that I have a limited budget. Have at it. 

Anyone please feel free to correct me.  I believe 4014 did not have the componentry a to heat passenger cars, therefore it was used for freight use. As far as the experience car, I think you’re referring to excursion, correct? If between those two sets of cars, excursion or Challenger you may want to look at some threads or topics describing the differences between the two. I take it from what I’ve read, that the challengers are done better.   If you stay prototypical, freight cars. You can purchase them one or two at a time and that will help your budget. 

Thanks for your thoughts. Yes I am talking about the excursion car sets and the special baggage car. The baggage car is the special car that UP turned into a moving history museum. They took to Ogden and I was able to see it. I already have a good collection of pfe reefers so freight cars for my big boy are done. Know I’ve trying to get some passenger cars to match it and trying to make a decision on which two pack to get. Thanks. 

I don’t have pictures, but I have run 4005 with Challenger set and Excursion theater at the end.  Either set will look very nice.  If the special baggage car is the one with the print on the side, I am probably a player.  It does look good.  You have good taste.  I hope Lionel is done with Excursion and Challenger.  Complete set  covers 2/3rds of my outer loop.

Thank you all for putting in your word. I will probably get either the special baggage car alone or it and the last excursion car pack. Thanks again and have a good afternoon!

BNSF-Matt posted:
VistaDomeScott posted:

20190712_015859~01I ordered the F7 Great Northern / BN A-A pair.  Thats all folks.

I was going to order 3 or 4 dome cars and a box car but I am not paying for cameras I DO NOT WANT.  I also do not want the sounds in a box car, diner, or any other item Lionel adds a $10 camera in so they can charge locomotive prices for one plastic passenger car.  Really annoys me!!!

Cheaper to keep having Christine custom paint previously made sets.  

Those are on my list as well along with the two B units. Do you know if they were run like that in a AA prototypical fashion. I can find pictures of both, but not in an AA together.

It's a small picture, but:

Rusty

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VistaDomeScott posted:
Super O Bob posted:
VistaDomeScott posted:

20190712_015859~01I ordered the F7 Great Northern / BN A-A pair.  Thats all folks.

I was going to order 3 or 4 dome cars and a box car but I am not paying for cameras I DO NOT WANT.  I also do not want the sounds in a box car, diner, or any other item Lionel adds a $10 camera in so they can charge locomotive prices for one plastic passenger car.  Really annoys me!!!

Cheaper to keep having Christine custom paint previously made sets.  

Scott...  sweet choice...

I think only one UP vista dome has a camera...  the others in FT set and 2packs appear to not have cameras.

I would think a guy with your handle would be all about watching the layout from a model vistadome!

 

Bob,

 The individual Southern, auto-train, Amtrak, and N&W in UP paint are camera cars.  I think Lionel should offer a choice on camera or no camera.  I haven't even tried out the camera track inspection theater car yet.

Scott

Hi Scott...  well you are probably in luck.  They do say these are intended to match upcoming sets.  If they keep with the passenger train pattern, there would likely be domes in the regular sets (if these trains had them)...  and those probably will not have cameras...

I have been reading up on the autotrain.  That would be an amazing set!

Bob

Lionel Fan and Super "O" Track Enthusiast

Big Jim posted:
Gilly@N&W posted:

OK, what's with the N&W dome car in UP livery? I must have missed the memo on that paint scheme.

ShellScale Decals has a decal set for it!

I had seen that, but it left me scratching my head. Other than locomotives and the occasional boxcars, I really don't recall seeing much Armor Yellow in Roanoke. Certainly no passenger cars.

I may have to spring for the LC+ 2.0 Docside Switcher, $249 MSRP for all the features is a really good price!  I see the PRR one in my future!   I'm eager to see how well all this is supported for that price, I hope to be impressed!

On page 103 they have "POWER & CONTROL". But it only shows transformers and powerhouses. NO Legacy or other control items ???????  Are they not going to be selling Legacy in the future with all of it's controls?

But I will buy the George Bush Funeral train and also the FRISCO #4524 Steam and Tender.

Roger Wasson posted:

On page 103 they have "POWER & CONTROL". But it only shows transformers and powerhouses. NO Legacy or other control items ???????  Are they not going to be selling Legacy in the future with all of it's controls?

But I will buy the George Bush Funeral train and also the FRISCO #4524 Steam and Tender.

Certainly they will. Just not needed showing in this catalog. 

Rod Miller

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