PRR Panhandle 2.0

George,

I only know what you share about steel mills and the railroad tracks that serve them.  That said, I think losing the one staging/holding track is small sacrifice to pay to expand the models of the mill.  You will have to selectively compress everything as it is.  The wye makes sense, and the extra yard trackage seems beneficial to me.

I'll keep watching for others' feedback and updates.

Updated 8/29/2017:

After much thought and measurement, I have constructed a detailed room plan and, within in it, a detailed track plan. Walls (except the top) are shown in black. You can now see the aisle space available.

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Let's take a close-up look at the Eastern end of the layout first.

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Moving right to left (east to west), here's a partial list of the changes:

  • Resizing of the Staging Area.  It is now 6'x11'.  White spaces within are open areas for the operator to stand.  The basement window is shown.  The back of the divider will be used to hold train storage shelving.
  • The Weirton Steel area picked up about 11 sq feet (not 22 sq feet).  I think it is enough to accommodate at least part of a blast furnace (cast house, kettle, and 1 stove) jutting out from the backdrop (divider).  The lime green areas are pop-up access hatches.  The back of the Open Hearth building will be open to give access to derailed cars.  The Strip Steel and Blooming Mills will be reachable from underneath.
  • The specific track geometries were tweaked.  We have a loop of track within the mill complex for turning a train.  And a wye was added.
  • I am looking at using the divider to hold a backdrop composed of Weirton Steel buildings (from a photograph).
  • The blackish/dark gray area is Standard Slag; track directly below it is for dumping slag.
  • Weirton Junction was lengthened.  The bottom most track is reserved for cabin cars.  The two tracks above it are for freight / steel related cars.
  • A doubled-sided backdrop divides Weirton Junction from Weirton itself.  On the Weirton Junction side, this will be a photograph of trees with some actual trees in the foreground.  On the Weirton side, the backdrop will climb as it heads up County Road.  It should just be high enough to split the scenes.
  • Aisles are approximately 2.5' to 3' wide.  There is one narrow 2' section near the bridge.  I had to make some real fine adjustments to keep the O72 curves.


Looking at the Western end of the layout:

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  • The bridge module has been redrawn to accurately reflect the size and position of the approach spans and the arch. Track east of the bridge will be positioned on fill.  I'm trying a new technique here.
  • Tracks west of the bridge have wide sweeping curves (O138 in one case).
  • The mountain is significantly larger (7'x8') than the one planned for Panhandle 1.0.
  • I am still debating the fate of the coal mine.  At this point, I have a lot more space to portray downtown Steubenville and I am inclined to use it for that purpose.
  • Below the level of the layout (shown in a yellowish color) is the River Route.  This will be a completely separate loop.  It will use the TPC-400 to permit conventional running and will give any smaller kids a chance to run a train.

 

I would very much like to hear your thoughts, comments, and questions.

George

TCA, NMRA, PRRT&HS Modeling the PRR Panhandle Division between 1948-1957.

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Mark Boyce posted:

George,

Your plan almost overwhelms me!  I'm just looking forward to seeing it all come together!!

ROFLMAO.  Mark, sometimes it almost overwhelms me, too! 

There's a lot of work to do.

This time around, I am determined not to be driven by the need to get trains up and running quickly.  I don't have work and kids cutting into my "think" time and pushing me towards quick but temporary band-aids.  The plan is comprehensive because it needs to be.  There are just a lot of moving parts in this layout.  I need to get them right in order to make the layout perform well and look good.

George

TCA, NMRA, PRRT&HS Modeling the PRR Panhandle Division between 1948-1957.

Updated 9/2/2017:

  • Sorted, labeled, boxed, and stored all the house-hold related items (screws, nails, electrical components, power strips, cable TV parts & pieces).
  • Sorted, labeled, boxed, and stored all the excess office supplies (diskettes, CDs, DVDs, computer components, cables, etc.).
  • Found three more boxes of odds-n-ends and tools over the past 2 days.  That's all in place or tossed.
  • Tossed 4 boxes of work related stuff.
  • Tossed a large number of orphan screws and unrecognized 40+ year old junk.
  • Moved the last 2 tables (work spaces) into place.
  • Started assembling my spray booth.
  • Took delivery of the first batch of lumber for the Staging Area.

 

It's Labor Day, so I'm laboring. 

George

TCA, NMRA, PRRT&HS Modeling the PRR Panhandle Division between 1948-1957.

From one who moved just over 4 years ago, that sounds pretty good to me! That's half the battle of getting settled in. The next half is remembering where everything is in it's new home. Even with the labels I still have to search for things every now and then. Sounds like layout building is getting close too! I think it was a couple months short of a year after the move before I got to layout building. Good luck and keep the updates coming!

rtr12 posted:

From one who moved just over 4 years ago, that sounds pretty good to me! That's half the battle of getting settled in. The next half is remembering where everything is in it's new home. Even with the labels I still have to search for things every now and then. Sounds like layout building is getting close too! I think it was a couple months short of a year after the move before I got to layout building. Good luck and keep the updates coming!

Thanks.  I find that if I don't write things down, I just won't remember. 

While the lumber has arrived, I would say that layout building (at least the Staging Area) is probably 1-2 weeks away.  I do want to get shellac on the lumber before too long to prevent warping.

George

TCA, NMRA, PRRT&HS Modeling the PRR Panhandle Division between 1948-1957.

Updated 9/9/2017:

  • Went through some storage boxes and retrieved a lot of research material.  That's now organized and filed so I can access it.
  • Hung all the artwork in the workshop and train room.
  • Finished assembling the spray booth.
  • Ordered a fence for the drill press.
  • Bought screws and carriage bolts, washers, nuts for the Staging Area bench work (and beyond).
  • Ordered switches for the Staging Area from Ross Custom Switches.
  • Estimated the amount of shelving that will be needed in the Staging Area.  Requested a quote from one of the vendors.
  • Started applying shellac to the Staging Area bench work lumber.  That's currently in the garage.


I still have a few more things to do in the workshop before I can declare victory - set up the table saw, get the work spaces cleared, and run the sweeper.  But it's very close.

George

TCA, NMRA, PRRT&HS Modeling the PRR Panhandle Division between 1948-1957.

George, Sounds like you are getting all your materials together now that you are fairly well organized after the move.  Wasn't it a great day to have the door open and do the shellacking?  I'm glad you mentioned Judy's name; I wasn't sure I remembered it after I met both of you late last winter.  Aren't both of our wives wonderful!

Updated 9/21/2017:

And so the real work on PRR Panhandle 2.0 begins.

First, the clean slate. This is the far right end of the plan that will become the Staging Area.

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I believe, thanks to my wonderful wife Judy, that the issue with applying shellac has been solved.  She found some old t-shirts (cotton) and helped me apply the stuff evenly to the spruce 2"x2"s.  I have been pretty frustrated looking on-line for rags and only finding expensive bundles of painters cloths. The answer is pretty simple - go to Goodwill or a dollar store and buy some cotton t-shirts. :idea:

For spreading stain or shellac, old t-shirts cost less and work better than the commercial rags at Walmart, HD, or Lowes. And these stores don't even carry them. They have to be ordered. :x

We applied the shellac in the garage. The 2 bundles to the right are the poplar legs that will be used for the most visible parts of the layout. We are going to try out some stain on them tomorrow.
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In this photo, the topmost 2"x4"x10' had shellac brushed on (I will hide them deep under the layout). The 2"x2"s in the foreground had shellac applied with cotton t-shirts.  Wow, what a difference!

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We are officially rolling on Panhandle 2.0 construction!!   

George

TCA, NMRA, PRRT&HS Modeling the PRR Panhandle Division between 1948-1957.

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MNCW posted:

George, Glad to see things are progressing. I didn't notice if you said you only bought the legs so far? 

Tom 

Tom,

I bought all the lumber for the Staging Area, including spruce legs (2"x2").  But I didn't care for the legs.  And I didn't have a good way to apply shellac to them;  I wasn't happy with the way they turned out.  So, I am going use those spruce 2"x2" legs in the interior of the layout.  I bought some poplar 2"x2"s to use for legs that will be visible (to visitors) on the outer perimeter of the layout.

My short-term construction schedule is as follows:

  1. Complete the application of shellac to all the lumber to be used in the Staging Area.
  2. Install train storage shelves on the wall.
  3. Assemble the 3 train tables of Staging Area.
  4. Install the 6 tall 2"x2"s that will support the sheets of masonite (from table top to ceiling).
  5. Install the masonite (this will support a backdrop).
  6. Install the other train storage shelves on the tall 2"x2"s.
  7. Complete the photo-shoot for the backdrop.
  8. Install the backdrop across the left, back, and right (masonite) walls of the layout.

It's a guess, but the above should take me until January (I hope).

After that, I will work on the remainder of the layout (too many steps to identify individually).

George

TCA, NMRA, PRRT&HS Modeling the PRR Panhandle Division between 1948-1957.

George,

I have a bag of old tee-shirts of mine that are awaiting jobs like staining etc.  They do work good.  Yes, the thrift store is a great source if you don't have any on hand.  Doing that ahead of time is a good idea; better than waiting until benchwork is built.  The room looks very inviting and the track lights look like they will give ample lighting.  That is a good list of tasks in the correct order.  How many of us build then try to fit a backdrop in later.  I did, but I had rear access on my last N-scale layout.  This time the backdrops will go up early.  You already know what they look like.  I'll look forward to seeing your photo backdrops!

Mark Boyce posted:

George,

I have a bag of old tee-shirts of mine that are awaiting jobs like staining etc.  They do work good.  Yes, the thrift store is a great source if you don't have any on hand.  Doing that ahead of time is a good idea; better than waiting until benchwork is built.  The room looks very inviting and the track lights look like they will give ample lighting.  That is a good list of tasks in the correct order.  How many of us build then try to fit a backdrop in later.  I did, but I had rear access on my last N-scale layout.  This time the backdrops will go up early.  You already know what they look like.  I'll look forward to seeing your photo backdrops!

Yeah, I really learned my lesson regarding installing the backdrop first.  I never want to repeat that massive headache I suffered with Panhandle 1.0.

I'm looking forward to seeing your layout and backdrops.

George

TCA, NMRA, PRRT&HS Modeling the PRR Panhandle Division between 1948-1957.

Yes George, I'm looking forward to seeing it too!  

I may get a little extra time this fall, as I am only going to be working 3 days a week for a while.  First I need to get over this sinus infection so I can get my cataract surgeries, then I should be good to go!  I was clearing some stuff out of the area I want to start benchwork first, and stopped felling wiped out.  

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