Well, the new Southern 2-8-0 looks, eh, alright. I can only imagine what some of the other guys have to say about it, though...
Well we all knew that it wasn't going to be a spot on model of the 630, it does sound good and it is a fine looking model. I'm just wondering though if it isn't a closer model to the Southern 542 over at Spencer, NC? (sorry I do not know the southern class offhand)
I'm thinking Lionel could have made this one in lieu of the 630 and gotten pretty close to the prototype. But as long as the owners enjoy it that's all that matters.
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Huh, I didn't even know that engine existed, MJ. The Lionel model actually does bear pretty good resemblance to that one! If they moved the bell to the top of the boiler front, it would be even better.
I asked Eric S. if he could run it on, his layout last night and I was able to watch it on his webcam. It has nice sounding whistle and whistle steam was nicely done by Lionel. He took this video.
https://www.facebook.com/erics.../?type=2&theater
I think Lionel knocked it out of the park with the whistle this time around. Some of the recent engines I've seen (Empire State Hudsons, Heavy Mikados, FEF-3's) I felt on the fence about.
This one is great. It sounds fresh and authentic. I hope that if Lionel/ERR update their RailSounds upgrade packages, they put that whistle in for Medium steam.
From the thread about the Atlas O catalog for July to December according to Mr. Muffin's Trains we are going to see Southern Railway SD40s. It is an August announcement. I don't know about a delivery date. He said the product numbers weren't correct but this gives us an idea.
AO-30125012 SD40 Locomotive Southern (NS Heritage) 3-Rail
AO-30125013 SD40 Locomotive Southern 3-Rail
AO-30125014 SD40 Locomotive Southern 3-Rail
AO-30125020 SD40 Locomotive Southern 3-Rail
Neal Jeter
Atlantic & Yadkin/Southern 2-8-0 #542 is a cosmetic restoration and sometime movie star that was rescued from a concrete pad at a Winston-Salem park. It is the sole surviving engine of the A&Y which was shut down 12/31/49 when its bonds were liberated by Southern. The Secretary of State retired the A&Y's Charter within a few weeks.
The Museum moves it around with a tiny Yard Goat.
542 sure is shiny and clean 
not at all like the N&W 4-8-0 1134 here in Portsmouth sitting out in the elements. here's a shot when first put in place (it's got various droppings on it now):
I've been trying to understand why I don't have any Southern engines, as they came into Portsmouth. Matter of fact, I don't have but 1 piece of Southern rolling stock 
Anyone know if what came into Portsmouth was mainly passenger or was freight an important part too?
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I did not like the Southern Sign that came with Menard Engine Maintenance Shed; therefore, hesitated in buying one, but finally decided to get it from my Local Mendards. I made my own sign with the Southern Logo instead of using the generic Southern sign that comes with the shed.
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DaveJfr0 posted:Ah, these units are painted for post-1978 paint schemes, not as-built (these were built in 1971/72). (well the 3170, for year 2015 as-built is correct)
Counts me out unfortunately, looks like I will have to buy used and repaint my own to get the original metallic gold scheme.
Here is the artwork from Atlas for those who have yet to see it.
The write up for these says ditch lights as well, which would be right for the 3170 but wrong for the others in this scheme. I sent in an email, but haven't heard back yet. If I hear back from Atlas, I post on this page.
Might have to think about a 3170, though.
hello guys and gals..........
I just purchased an railking "Southern" NW-2 last week. Its green body with white band with gold pin stripes paint job,very nice. Its my first "Southern" engine. I am a Santa Fe fan but this Southern engine "touched" my emotions.
Tiffany
Tiffany, it sounds like you have been bitten by the Southern Railway bug. Watch out. Before long, all those other railroads will just look plain and boring...lol.
It's OK Tiffany - Santa Fe and The SOUTHERN are my two favorite RRs as well. They look great together as this shelf display above my TV illustrates. The Alco PA is a USA Trains model while the Green RS3 is by Aristocraft. Below the RS3 is a MTH RS1 in the Tuxedo scheme. You can see a SR Work Truck just to the left of the RS3 on the top shelf while the painting is from the 1956 Lionel catalog depicting "The Mighty Southern" freight set!
too.
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lionel89 posted:Tiffany, it sounds like you have been bitten by the Southern Railway bug. Watch out. Before long, all those other railroads will just look plain and boring...lol.
Hello lionel89
That is a possible 
Tiffany
c.sam posted:It's OK Tiffany - Santa Fe and The SOUTHERN are my two favorite RRs as well. They look great together as this shelf display above my TV illustrates. The Alco PA is a USA Trains model while the Green RS3 is by Aristocraft. Below the RS3 is a MTH RS1 in the Tuxedo scheme. You can see a SR Work Truck just to the left of the RS3 on the top shelf while the painting is from the 1956 Lionel catalog depicting "The Mighty Southern" freight set!
too.
hello c.sam
I have not thought of that way "Santa Fe from the West meets The Southern from the East" , your display looks coooooool ! I wondered what the S.F.5011 would look like in Southern colors (green body, red roof top of the cab, gold pin stripes) ?
Tiffany
The MTH 4501 Southern Mikado has shipped to dealers. I am interested in seeing what green and black versions look like. I would like to hear the whistle in comparison to the Lionel Legacy model. Is anyone getting one and willing to share some photos and video?
Hello guys and gals.........
I might have been bitten by a Southern green bug with no possible cure !!!!!!!! I have a question to ask about gold pin stripes and cabooses. I been looking at "Railpictures.net for Southern cabooses and diesel locomotives. The question is # 1 were there any green painted bay window cabooses as most of the photos shows cabooses painted red all over, yellow bay windows and steps and white letterings, numbers but no green ones. I kind of liked the green ones as they look more fancy !! Question # 2 Most of the diesels have yellow pin stripes and letterings, numbers but very few with gold color paint used for that does this mean yellow looks better than gold and paint more tougher to stand the weather ? I wished for the railking bay window caboose to go with my railking NW-2 switcher # 30-2157-1 I bought almost 2 weeks ago. This switcher is in green color, white band and gold pin stripes,letterings , numbers (really an beautiful small engine). I really loved that switcher!!!
Tiffany
Tiffany posted:Hello guys and gals.........
I might have been bitten by a Southern green bug with no possible cure !!!!!!!! I have a question to ask about gold pin stripes and cabooses. I been looking at "Railpictures.net for Southern cabooses and diesel locomotives. The question is # 1 were there any green painted bay window cabooses as most of the photos shows cabooses painted red all over, yellow bay windows and steps and white letterings, numbers but no green ones. I kind of liked the green ones as they look more fancy !! Question # 2 Most of the diesels have yellow pin stripes and letterings, numbers but very few with gold color paint used for that does this mean yellow looks better than gold and paint more tougher to stand the weather ? I wished for the railking bay window caboose to go with my railking NW-2 switcher # 30-2157-1 I bought almost 2 weeks ago. This switcher is in green color, white band and gold pin stripes,letterings , numbers (really an beautiful small engine). I really loved that switcher!!!
Tiffany
The Southern never had green cabooses of any kind. They were always red except for a time in the 1960s when fhey were a brown color.
Those with yellow bay windows were assigned to local train service.
Locomotives were painted either black or green with variations of gold colored stripes separating the imitation aluminum stripe (not white). The stripes were not yellow, but may look that way in photographs.
Hope this helps -
Tiffany, although not prototypical as Larry stated and he knows the Southern stuff, many of the toy train makers did produce green Southern cabooses. It is your toy train world so you should check eBay for a green caboose.
Ron
The early gold striping was described as bronze gold. Sometime in the 1970s Southern started using deluxe gold which appears to be yellow. The lettering and numbers also were changed from bronze gold to deluxe gold. Southern didn't have any green cabooses. There is one painted green and numbered "1396". I have a slide of it that I purchased on eBay. The date on the slide is 12-28-92. I believe it was used as a visitors center or some other type of civic building but I don't know which town it was in. Lionel made a green Southern caboose in the 70s or 80s numbered 9273. More recent they made 27681 a green caboose.
Neal Jeter
Larry Neal posted:Tiffany posted:Hello guys and gals.........
I might have been bitten by a Southern green bug with no possible cure !!!!!!!! I have a question to ask about gold pin stripes and cabooses. I been looking at "Railpictures.net for Southern cabooses and diesel locomotives. The question is # 1 were there any green painted bay window cabooses as most of the photos shows cabooses painted red all over, yellow bay windows and steps and white letterings, numbers but no green ones. I kind of liked the green ones as they look more fancy !! Question # 2 Most of the diesels have yellow pin stripes and letterings, numbers but very few with gold color paint used for that does this mean yellow looks better than gold and paint more tougher to stand the weather ? I wished for the railking bay window caboose to go with my railking NW-2 switcher # 30-2157-1 I bought almost 2 weeks ago. This switcher is in green color, white band and gold pin stripes,letterings , numbers (really an beautiful small engine). I really loved that switcher!!!
Tiffany
The Southern never had green cabooses of any kind. They were always red except for a time in the 1960s when fhey were a brown color.
Those with yellow bay windows were assigned to local train service.
Locomotives were painted either black or green with variations of gold colored stripes separating the imitation aluminum stripe (not white). The stripes were not yellow, but may look that way in photographs.
Hope this helps -
Hello Larry Neal.........
Thank you, I learned something new tonight
Tiffany
Lionlman posted:The early gold striping was described as bronze gold. Sometime in the 1970s Southern started using deluxe gold which appears to be yellow. The lettering and numbers also were changed from bronze gold to deluxe gold. Southern didn't have any green cabooses. There is one painted green and numbered "1396". I have a slide of it that I purchased on eBay. The date on the slide is 12-28-92. I believe it was used as a visitors center or some other type of civic building but I don't know which town it was in. Lionel made a green Southern caboose in the 70s or 80s numbered 9273. More recent they made 27681 a green caboose.
Neal Jeter
Hello Neal Jeter
Thank you, I learned something new tonight
Tiffany
Years back when I was doing local shows I was in Charlotte when a guy asked me if I knew of any Green & "White" Southern cabooses. I told him that some of the O-gauge makers made them, but they were NOT prototypical but Black & "white" was. He told he did not care about prototypical he had green & white train that he want a caboose to match!
This was somewhat eye opening. When MTH brought out a 120 ton green & white crane I jumped on it thinking MTH would never get the color correct. A few years later they did. So then brought their black & "white" version thinking some day to sell the green & white one.
Will recently displayed at a couple local shows with this piece. NOT a look. Local toy train store owner is also surprised.
My post here on the "Sell" board.?
Ron
Lionlman posted:Sometime in the 1970s Southern started using deluxe gold which appears to be yellow.
Neal Jeter
It was common to see a paint called Dulux gold, not deluxe gold. Dulux is pronounced "doolux. Dulux gold, made by DuPont, was a fairly common paint used by railroads for lettering, among other things. I've seen a reference to a Soo Line paint called Deluxe gold, but that may be a misspelling, I'm not sure.
Dulux gold is not really yellow, but rather this shade, more or less. One source shows the alleged Soo Line deluxe gold as shown at the bottom, but, as stated, that might actually be Dulux gold as well. Internet color reproductions are somewhat variable. Maybe Southern had something else, but I'm not aware of it.
kjstrains posted:The MTH 4501 Southern Mikado has shipped to dealers. I am interested in seeing what green and black versions look like. I would like to hear the whistle in comparison to the Lionel Legacy model. Is anyone getting one and willing to share some photos and video?
Ken, to answer, even though I would love to hear the sounds on these new engines, I passed on getting them. They look nice, but not a grand plus nice. I personally found more satisfaction taking the old Lionel '92 model that DOES have the 95% correct shape and form and upgrading it to more up to date everything for about 2/3's of the new models' cost (PS3 or even Legacy).
The funny thing is very few people take photos or videos of any MTH Mikados. YouTube is pretty barren of any - unless you count the HO models. It's quite odd honestly...
Thomas, Great job on the upgrade. Your engine looks and sounds great. I agree with engine painted green instead of black. I have the K-line 4501 in green which I like the detail on it but does lack the correct shape. I am still interested in seeing the MTH version to compare. Thanks for sharing your video.
The Lionel volume 2 catalog 2016 has Southern SD45 in it, but that is it for anything Southern.
kjstrains posted:The Lionel volume 2 catalog 2016 has Southern SD45 in it, but that is it for anything Southern.
How does it compare (Cat Pic) to this one?
More high hood Southern engines. Thank you Lionel.
Neal Jeter
Ken,
Eric Siegel posted a livestream today which featured the Southern Mikado in the current black scheme.
Personally, I think the whistle sounds terrific, and really suits the engine well.
Great shots of Eric's hand!
Lionlman posted:Received the Lionel Southern "630" from Brian at Legacy Station today. Here are a few pictures. Many thanks to Lionel for changing the tender from the one that was pictured in the catalog.
hello lionlman, guys and gals....
That's a sharp looking Consol !!! I have been bitten hard by a "Southern" bug from my railking NW-2 switcher which has the road name "Southern" in green colors and gold pin stripes beautiful little diesel. It looks easy to make changes to my S.F. 5011 2-10-4 to "Southern 5011" just add white stripe on the running boards, paint the window frames Red and add "Southern" name and small number bellow the cab windows. Southern didn't have large Texas type locomotives or did they ? What was the largest 10 driver locomotive they had ?
Tiffany
The Southern Railway had 2-10-2 "Santa Fe" type engines #5000 to #5249 delivered before 1920.
According to TIES Magazine Southern personnel referred to their 2-10-2 Santa Fe class as "Hogs" and /or "Big Fifties". The engines were equipped with floating front drivers and saw a lot of duty as pushers on the sharp curves of the Asheville Division A few were eventually converted to 2-8-2 Mikados---classed as Ms-5 and Ms-6.
In 1918 #5046 was equipped as a "tender tractor" with a 2-6-2 tender under steam and survived until scrapped in 1926.
Far as I know the Southern did not have any 2-10-4 Steam Locomotives on its roster. They did use the 610 Texas and Pacific steam locomotive in excursion service in the late 1970’s as seen in the photo below. I was hoping that one the Manufactures would create this model. It was used as one of the American Freedom Train engines so I figure someone could create it for American Freedom Train and then offer it as Southern excursion train too but there appears not to be much interest.
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I happened to be online when Eric was broadcasting. Thanks for sharing his broadcast at Legacy Station. The whistle does sound good. The quilling whistle is the same as Southern 4-6-2's and Kanawha that MTH has done in the past. I was hoping that would be different. Too bad he did not take some up close shots of the engine. I noticed in the catalog that MTH did the cab different on both engines. On the Scale engine they did it different as seen below. I am not sure if the Scale engine is correct. These photos are from the catalog; therefore, I was interested in seeing one up close.
Hi-Rail Wheels Below
Scale Version Below.
Hi-Rail Wheels below
Scale Version Below.
It appears not too many dealers order these. I guess not too many are interested.
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KJSTRAINS, you are in luck. 3rd rail is doing the 610 in Southern livery. But, it has a hefty price tag.
kjstrains posted:Thomas
Hi-Rail Wheels below
Scale Version Below.
It appears not too many dealers order these. I guess not too many are interested.
Interesting, the Hi-Rail is more prototypically correct!
Ron
