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Pull out a 10 year old catalog, then look at the prices... One reason my collection is very small.
@0-Gauge CJ posted:Not surprised on the price increases. If my grocery store is any indicator, it was only a matter of time.
Did the catalog come early in the mail for you?
Also, I love how a catalog release is like a mini-holiday in the hobby
I love how it’s a mini-holiday too! I can’t say how I saw a bit of what’s in the catalog, only that you’ll enjoy it.
@Jeff T posted:Pull out a 10 year old catalog, then look at the prices... One reason my collection is very small.
I get it completely, but to respectfully push back a little, Lionel does not control inflation of the dollar. $500 in 2012 is equal to just over $600 today. Going back to 2005, $500 then is equal to over $700 dollars today!
In other words, if an engine was $500 ten years ago and a rerun of the model today still sells for $500, there have almost certainly been cost cuts...hmm, maybe explains a lot.
I will enjoy looking through the catalog but I m sure there won’t be any postwar remakes or Western Maryland.
@Terrance posted:I will enjoy looking through the catalog but I m sure there won’t be any postwar remakes or Western Maryland.
That is very likely true. I don't think the 120th Anniversary F3 Postwar set was a big seller.
@Jeff T posted:Pull out a 10 year old catalog, then look at the prices... One reason my collection is very small.
Back in the 1980's, people were complaining about $250 for Hudsons using postwar tooling...
Rusty
@Madockawando posted:That is very likely true. I don't think the 120th Anniversary F3 Postwar set was a big seller.
Yes, unfortunately, agree. For years I used to lobby for traditional stuff/PW remakes on these "wish" threads but I think that ship has sailed.
The last two were the green UP Alco Set and the Santa Fe Anniversary Set. I bought the Alco Set but passed on the latter. I literally had it in my shopping cart but the price was just too steep. I took what I would have spent and got a beautiful Santa Fe PW 2343 AA pair. And some rolling stock. With $$ left over!
@Rusty Traque posted:Back in the 1980's, people were complaining about $250 for Hudsons using postwar tooling...
Rusty
Mean $250 in 1980 is worth about $850 today which...is about where some of the engines are. Interesting.
@BillYo414 posted:Mean $250 in 1980 is worth about $850 today which...is about where some of the engines are. Interesting.
Well if you adjust the price of Lionel's original 700e J1e..... it works out to a little over 1,500 bucks today......so yeah lionel has consistently been expensive. That said, yes the prices are still a lot for the wallet to handle.
@Brian DeFazio posted:Well if you adjust the price of Lionel's original 700e J1e..... it works out to a little over 1,500 bucks today......so yeah lionel has consistently been expensive. That said, yes the prices are still a lot for the wallet to handle.
There's a difference. Most technology get's cheaper over time. TVs, computers, etc.
@rplst8 posted:There's a difference. Most technology get's cheaper over time. TVs, computers, etc.
But there have been a lot of upgrades over the years. The 700e didn't have Bluetooth, whistle steam, Legacy Railsounds, etc.
@rplst8 posted:There's a difference. Most technology get's cheaper over time. TVs, computers, etc.
Not sure technology is driving the price up. It's the production of the actual model that is going up. Lionel left the US a number of years ago because it got too expensive. We are basically back of those prices while manufacturing overseas. A boxcar is basically 75% more than what it was 20 years ago with nothing inside of it.
Every time high prices come up in conversation its always Lionel that is expected to lower prices. No other manufacture is held to the same standard even though their prices are essentially the same as Lionel's.
Well all I can say about it that sometimes you do get what you pay for. Yes trains can be expensive but the current level of technology and detailing is far beyond anything that any Lionel engineer ever could have imaged back in the postwar era. We are not just paying for the trains, but our dollars go towards the research and development of new trains and technologies to enhance our hobby. It also costs money to maintain the facilities of Lionel. Selling trains undervalued below what they should be sold for would slowly starve a company to bankruptcy. K-Line is a prime example. So as far as I am concerned, yes trains are expensive, but I do feel I am getting all that I pay for and by spending money on new trains, I hope that I am doing my small part in keeping the hobby going.
Look at vehicle prices. A new truck can be up to $100k. Rising prices are just a fact of life.
Somebody spill something, preferably scale and steam. It's time for a leak! Need a morsel to get me to Friday.
It can be one of those fuzzy images that look like they came from the first iPhone, etc. It can be a rumor that articulated couplers are returning, for example.
@Randy_B posted:Somebody spill something, preferably scale and steam. It's time for a leak! Need a morsel to get me to Friday.
The spillage will occur on Friday. Knowing a couple of days in advance won't get anything produced any faster. Besides, the indicated "sticker shock" will probably cool some folks off.
Rusty
less than 2 days to go guys
we can do this. i know its hard like i can not wait to see the traditional stuff but we can do this
I'm just optimistic since they have some of the MTH tooling now. I'm not too interested in the same old, same old at any price.
@rplst8 posted:There's a difference. Most technology get's cheaper over time. TVs, computers, etc.
Trains are not just technology.
Of course, TVs, computers, et.al., are sold in the millions. When was the last time a loc from Lionel sold several million?
I'm honestly shocked there haven't been more leaks other than the 2 lionel intended. This is maddening lol 😆
I think it's kind of nice. Like the old days when you had to wait for the catalog to arrive at the hobby shop.
i atleast want to see the front cover nothing else until friday
anyone know how thick this catalog is like how many pages
@paigetrain posted:i atleast want to see the front cover nothing else until friday
anyone know how thick this catalog is like how many pages
In a recent video I saw, they said Lionel was changing up the physical book. Apparently, they are only printing the Scale items. Not the whole digital document.
@Randy_B posted:I'm just optimistic since they have some of the MTH tooling now. I'm not too interested in the same old, same old at any price.
Lionel making stuff with MTH tooling is the same old, same old. Only difference is now it comes in an orange instead of purple box and costs twice as much as it used to.
I like Orange better than Purple I guess. 
@Randy_B posted:I like Orange better than Purple I guess.
I usually throw the box out, so I don't care what color it is 
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@SeptaTony posted:In a recent video I saw, they said Lionel was changing up the physical book. Apparently, they are only printing the Scale items. Not the whole digital document.
that must be a thick catalog if they're not printing the entire book
@paigetrain posted:that must be a thick catalog if they're not printing the entire book
It is about the same as the 2021 V1 Catalog. It is more of a cost-saving measure than an indication of how big the book is.
@RJ I posted:It is about the same as the 2021 V1 Catalog. It is more of a cost-saving measure than an indication of how big the book is.
i wonder if this is gonna hurt the visability of the traditional stuff since its only gonna be online
@Lou1985 posted:Lionel making stuff with MTH tooling is the same old, same old. Only difference is now it comes in an orange instead of purple box and costs twice as much as it used to.
Does it really cost twice as much?
Everyone is at a different place in this hobby, and I still get excited for these catalogs and are thankful for them. I have all Lionel engines to this point. There have been some previously made by MTH that I liked but would not have considered before and hopefully that will come to fruition at some point.
Okay. Let me throw one last wish out there. Chessie Sd70ace set with modern freight cars with multiple csx fallen flags (wm, b&o, c&o, etc).
@Randy_B posted:Everyone is at a different place in this hobby, and I still get excited for these catalogs and are thankful for them. I have all Lionel engines to this point. There have been some previously made by MTH that I liked but would not have considered before and hopefully that will come to fruition at some point.
Randy, I’m of the same mind. My layout is Legacy. There are a few former MTH models (cough, Dreyfuss, cough) that I would love to see released in Legacy. It will make no difference to me that MTH already released them a few times over the years because I wouldn’t have bought them in DCS. Plus, I personally really like whistle steam and it would be great to get some former MTH models equipped with that feature as well.
@Madockawando posted:Does it really cost twice as much?
Yes. Yes it does. MTH from 2018, Lionel 2021 V2. Same tooling, same paint, double the price. But now it comes in an orange box instead of purple.
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how about a traditional version of a Southern Pacific oil can train
I'm curious if the Class A will be talked about in the catalog broadcast in regards to the steam turret being covered for the excursion version, but being uncovered for other versions? BigJim contacted Ryan about this a bit ago after seeing some of the pictures on the Class A post from York pictures.
If you have no idea exactly what I'm talking about, don't worry, I didn't know what it was all about until BigJim explained. During 1218's service, it had gotten a cover over the steam turret only for a little bit and put back on(I believe) for a bit during the excursion runs. Ryan had told Jim that the catalog art was already done so it won't be shown with the details that should be there(for the other models).
So I'm just curious if Ryan will touch on this subject a bit while discussing the model in the catalog. I do know that Ryan has done similar things when noting differences between versions of the same engine.
I'm extremely curious as to what will be offered to go with these Class A's as one would expect some coal hoppers, and for the excursion version some sort of passenger cars. I'm not going for the excursion version, so I have a raised eyebrow on this particular topic.
That being said guys, why yack about prices? I guess to stay on topic, you could say you "wish for lower prices'. Now back to our regularly scheduled program.
From what I’ve heard folks saying since the Vision Line N&W A’s were announced, it seems like the “Excursion Version” of the 1218 with the glossy paint may be a slow seller. I’m very excited to see the other versions, especially the early ones with the smaller tenders and boiler tube pilots!
I’m gonna ask MrMuffin’s Trains if they’d consider doing a limited run of an early version of the 1218. From what I’ve been able to find, the 1218 has never been represented in any scale in its “As Built” appearance when it was first built. I think it’d be something cool to have!
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