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Just sent the suggestion to MrMuffin to do some boxcar logo and/or non-boxcar logo CSX ES44AH units.  Lionel only finally did one with correct headlight position and truck frames in 2020 but in just one special #3010 road number along with the heritage units.  Lets get some generic units to fill up those rosters!

Along with the lack of a Warbonnet ATSF F7, sometimes I'm left scratching my head at Lionel's choices.  That said, they have some really nice offerings this time around.

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Just sent the suggestion to MrMuffin to do some boxcar logo and/or non-boxcar logo CSX ES44AH units.  Lionel only finally did one with correct headlight position and truck frames in 2020 but in just one special #3010 road number along with the heritage units.  Lets get some generic units to fill up those rosters!

Along with the lack of a Warbonnet ATSF F7, sometimes I'm left scratching my head at Lionel's choices.  That said, they have some really nice offerings this time around.

I know there are several people here on OGR that would love to see this Central Maine and Quebec locomotive. Technically it is GE AC4400CW, not an ES44AH. But I don't really care. Steve! Please consider this locomotive as a special run!!

https://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=647711

https://www.google.com/search?...imgrc=Ueef62cClio-JM

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@Alec_6460 posted:

I admire your restraint…but if its WW2 era ATSF steam I have to have at least 1.  Addictions/collections are a terrible problem…

I wouldn't say that I have "restraint" with ATSF steam, as I have:

Premier 5001 class 2-10-4 (made from a Premier 5011 class with a 20K gallon tender and outside bearing pilot truck) (5009)

Premier 5011 class 2-10-4 (5025)

Two Premier 2900 class 4-8-4s (2903, 2921)

Legacy 3751 class 4-8-4 (3759)

Four Premier 3460 class Hudsons (3460 Blue Goose, 3463, 3464, 3465)

Premier 3129 class 2-8-2 (made from a Premier USRA Mikado)

Enough parts to cobble together another Premier 5011 class 2-10-4.

So no restraint 😄.

But back to the catalog. The 5011 class 2-10-4 Lionel is making, adjusted for inflation, is only $100ish more than what MTH charged for it when they last produced it in 2005. So I'm kinda surprised it didn't really go up in price all that much in 17 years. You'll get whistle steam with the Lionel model, but the older MTH model will have a nice, big, 9434 Pittman motor. I'd rather have the Pittman than whistle steam, but to each is own.

Just sent the suggestion to MrMuffin to do some boxcar logo and/or non-boxcar logo CSX ES44AH units.  Lionel only finally did one with correct headlight position and truck frames in 2020 but in just one special #3010 road number along with the heritage units.  Lets get some generic units to fill up those rosters!

Along with the lack of a Warbonnet ATSF F7, sometimes I'm left scratching my head at Lionel's choices.  That said, they have some really nice offerings this time around.

I just sent the following to Steve to piggy back on your request:

"I would like to make a request for a special run of Central Maine and Québec #1006

I saw on OGR someone has already contacted you about doing a special run of ES44AH units. Although the Central Maine and Québec #1006 is an AC44W I believe the locomotives are close enough to make it work. Others on OGR expressed interest in purchasing this locomotive."

I came away unscathed.  Good thing too.  Have a 3rd rail E1 coming anytime and I pre-ordered his Amtrak and the cars.

The new base is interesting.  I’ll pass.  4 number address seems like the most obvious.  Would be better without creating 2 digit and trying to remember it.  The ZW-L is just one penny short of a grand!  Ouch.  Rocket Train is cool.  Good variety.

Just sent the suggestion to MrMuffin to do some boxcar logo and/or non-boxcar logo CSX ES44AH units.  Lionel only finally did one with correct headlight position and truck frames in 2020 but in just one special #3010 road number along with the heritage units.  Lets get some generic units to fill up those rosters!

Along with the lack of a Warbonnet ATSF F7, sometimes I'm left scratching my head at Lionel's choices.  That said, they have some really nice offerings this time around.

I’d definitely buy. Need some generic CSX locomotives to pair with my heritage unit. Was hoping they would come out with a tier IV gevo this catalog but guess not.

Well, at least one of our wallets is in for a world of hurt: MINE.

Between the Amtrak Cabbages, the CSX business train (I wish one of the F40s was a dummy at least), the 1218, the rocket train idler car pack, and an assortment of unique cars like the chapel car, and various cars that would fill in some gaps (Amtrak heritage diner, Ford Mustang boxcar, RailBox, ADM), I'm in trouble. I suppose I should count my blessings that a legacy (or God forbid a Vision) 1309 or Amtrak Charger or Sprinter wasn't in the catalog. The Base3 is tempting, although there's no "killer" feature that's pushing it to the top of my list.

As for the catalog itself, I think it was a good showing. There was a good mix of scale and semi-scale, and there were some good, positive, creative new liveries. I'm delighted to see that Lionel bought the MTH rocket train tooling. I hope some of the other unique MTH toolings found homes, too (European steam, Aerotrain, etc). I think the Atlantics look good, I was glad to see some Doodlebugs (although I wish they had at least TMCC capability, which they don't), and those 0-4-0 slopebacks are tempting.

As for areas that I think could be improved, I really wish the Lionel would specifically call out which "new" products are acquired MTH toolings just so those of us who are familiar with that tooling can gauge how those items would mesh into our existing collections. I'm also confused by the All New Product banner--it's on items like the 1218, which is brand new, but it's also on things like the Berkshire, which Lionel has produced before. Maybe it's just new liveries or new road numbers? I wish they'd be more clear about that. I also noticed that there's a "New Tooling" label on the 2-10-4, but it's completely missing from the 1218 spread. I wonder if this was a mistake, or if the 2-10-4 is, in fact, new tooling.

And lastly, the Cab3 app situation doesn't seem to be fully baked yet, and I'm worried about the direction in which it may head. Firstly, there's no mention as to whether or not it's a universal app for iOS devices (meaning it works on iPhones, iPod touches, and iPads) or if it's just an iPhone/iPod touch app. The screenshots and abstract don't mention iPads at all, and that's concerning if this is supposed to replace the LCS app, especially given the minimal amount of effort it takes to add iPad optimization. Even more concerning, however, is that it appears that the new Cab3 app won't control legacy/TMCC engines without the Base3. I hope I'm terribly mistaken about that, but if it's true, and if Lionel doesn't update the iCab or LCS apps (iPhone and iPad, respectively), those apps are woefully out of date and I'm worried that they may stop working on future versions of iOS. Again, I hope I'm wrong and that the new Cab3 app will work with the older legacy hardware.

Bottom line, though, I'm in for some new rolling stock, and I'm excited.

Rafi

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Since the SOO LINE GP30 diesels were produced and the SOO LINE RS-27 diesels and F7 AA, B, B diesel locomotives have been announced they will need to produce a few more matching freight cars.

The people at LIONEL going to have to make all 18 road numbers of the SOO LINE 57' Mechanical refrigerator cars built in 1965 and 1969 by Pacific Car & Foundry, over 4 years using the LionScale 57' Mechanical Refrigerator cars and the imported 57' mechanical reefers with sound & lights.

They have not had an O scale SOO LINE gondola produced in one or more of the various 1960's era schemes of the SOO LINE.

Andrew

I just became aware that the new "Reading" cars are the actual arched roof type and are quite accurately scaled.  I've been hoping for these cars to be produced for years and missed the whole thing thanks to Lionel's photos, as reproduced in their online catalogs.  I skimmed over them because all black roofs look the same to these old eyes unless I blow them waaay up.  They appear to be wonderful cars but The RDG cars seem to be sold out.

Fearing redundancy, I've scanned this "Topic" looking for the suggestion that these cars be produced in CNJ colors but didn't see any.  Other than Reading and the roads to which they were distributed, the CNJ was the only Class One that owned and operated them.  It seems funny that tourist lines, albeit RDG spinoffs, should trump THE BIG LITTLE RAILROAD.

I would buy one of the following:

  • Vision Line Brass Hybrid Western Maryland 4-8-4 Potomac with
    • Cylinder Steam
    • Whistle Steam
    • Safety Valve Steam
    • Blowdown Steam
    • Kinematic Drawbar
    • 5 year warranty
  • Legacy Wi-Fi remote


I would buy two of any of the following, or as many as four (two each) if more than one were offered:

  • Legacy Scale Cambria and Indiana SW8 or SW1200 in the Bethlehem Mines yellow and back livery
  • Legacy Scale Conrail  GE C39-8 "humpback"
  • Legacy Scale Conrail SD80MAC with correctly sized fuel tank
  • Legacy Scale PRR GE U25C or U28C
  • Legacy Scale PRR Baldwin S-12 or DS-4-4-660
  • Legacy Scale PRR Baldwin DRS4-4-1000
  • Legacy Scale PRR ALCo C628 C630
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@rplst8 posted:

I would buy one of the following:

  • Vision Line Brass Hybrid Western Maryland 4-8-4 Potomac with
    • Cylinder Steam
    • Whistle Steam
    • Safety Valve Steam
    • Blowdown Steam
    • Kinematic Drawbar
    • 5 year warranty
  • Legacy Wi-Fi remote
  • Legacy Altoona PRR Locomotive Test Plant
    • Dynamometer rollers with load simulation
    • Cutaway view so locomotive can be seen inside the plant
    • Remote drawbar pull indicator (switchable scaled horsepower and pound force)
    • Factory/Shop Environmental RailSounds (metal hammers, chatter, etc.)
    • Surprise me


I would buy two of any of the following, or as many as four (two each) if more than one were offered:

  • Legacy Scale Cambria and Indiana SW8 or SW1200 in the Bethlehem Mines yellow and back livery
  • Legacy Scale Conrail  GE C39-8 "humpback"
  • Legacy Scale Conrail SD80MAC with correctly sized fuel tank
  • Legacy Scale PRR GE U25C or U28C
  • Legacy Scale PRR Baldwin S-12 or DS-4-4-660
  • Legacy Scale PRR Baldwin DRS4-4-1000
  • Legacy Scale PRR ALCo C628 C630

A Western Maryland 4-8-4 would be awesome!!

I’d really like to see a return of the Legacy N&W Y6b’s with some Vision Line auxiliary water tenders! I know it’s a long shot hoping they’ll be in the next catalog since the A Class locos we’re just featured in this one, but a guy can dream! Some more N&W rolling stock would be nice as well.

Some nice stuff, certainly sticker shock, but then again, with me that is anything these days above about 30 bucks *lol*. The one thing I hope to see someday in Lionchief mode is the LC 2.0 docksider they had a couple of years ago, I missed out on that (specifically the Brooklyn Eastern District one. I love small engines in general, they have some nice switchers in this catalog if I can scrape up the money for them

Other Ideas:
  • Legacy Altoona PRR Locomotive Test Plant
    • Dynamometer rollers with load simulation
    • Cutaway view so locomotive can be seen inside the plant
    • Remote drawbar pull indicator (switchable scaled horsepower and pound force)
    • Factory/Shop Environmental RailSounds (metal hammers, chatter, etc.)
    • Surprise me
  • Scale PRR G38 ore jenny
  • Scale PRR NE cabin car
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@bigkid posted:

Some nice stuff, certainly sticker shock, but then again, with me that is anything these days above about 30 bucks *lol*. The one thing I hope to see someday in Lionchief mode is the LC 2.0 docksider they had a couple of years ago, I missed out on that (specifically the Brooklyn Eastern District one. I love small engines in general, they have some nice switchers in this catalog if I can scrape up the money for them

Yes, those were hugely popular. I think the particular loco itself drew lots of attention AND they were also one of the first of the new Lion Chief Plus 2.0 line. Lots of electronics in a small space.

As I recall, a good number of forum posters even purchased more than one.

The Brooklyn livery was my favorite.

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I feel as though a good number of the things mentioned have been done within the past 10-15 years (not all of them of course - there  are certainly some random road names and such).  However, I’ve been waiting for a NYC 20th Century Limited for FOREVER!!  A Dreyfus Hudson with 1938 scheme (blue stripe) hasn’t been done in this century!  Was last slated for 2008 production and mysteriously cancelled…. It’s obviously a highly sought after set yet catalog after catalog come out with reruns of the same old items stuffed with slightly modified tech.  Hey Lionel…!!!  MAKE A DREYFUS AND MATCHING 1938 CARS!!!!!

Don't get me wrong this catalog's Post War style military cars are cool, but how about some regular "US Army/Airforce/Navy/Marines" freight cars? We've had the sharknoses and turbine from the previous two catalogs, and now in this one we've got an 0-4-0 and an ES44, but barely anything to throw behind them save these traditional cars. A few flatbeds with some tanks or some regular boxcars and tankers would be perfect.

@Patrick B posted:

Don't get me wrong this catalog's Post War style military cars are cool, but how about some regular "US Army/Airforce/Navy/Marines" freight cars? We've had the sharknoses and turbine from the previous two catalogs, and now in this one we've got an 0-4-0 and an ES44, but barely anything to throw behind them save these traditional cars. A few flatbeds with some tanks or some regular boxcars and tankers would be perfect.

Sure… and add in some Canadian military freight cars as well.

@DETROIT posted:

Using what you have Lionel

1. Coil Cars from the KLine tooling - Penn Central w three road numbers

2. More eight door 86' Autoparts Box Cars - D&TSL, IC or ICG and EL

The K LINE injection molds are apparently being held by Bachmann Trains in CHINA.

The people at LIONEL would need to get the plans for an EVANS PRODUCT covered steel coil car and make an all new car.

Since they just acquired the MTH O scale covered steel coil car, that might be a bit difficult to make happen.

The LIONEL guys would most likely have to put the PENN CENTRAL scheme on both the Standard O 42' gondola with angled coil covers and the new O scale round cover steel coil car.

I am highly irritated that Bachmann is not yet including the Evans covered steel coil car made for K-Line in the Williams O scale line. 


The box cars are described as 8-Door 86' High-Cube Boxcars.

The Detroit & Toledo ShoreLine reporting marks are D&TS.

http://freight.railfan.ca/cgi-...?i=dts5700&o=dts

Andrew

Falcon Service

@DETROIT posted:

Using what you have Lionel

1. Coil Cars from the KLine tooling - Penn Central w three road numbers

2. More eight door 86' Autoparts Box Cars - D&TSL, IC or ICG and EL

LIONEL would have to make the Standard O gondolas with the angled coil covers in the PENN CENTRAL scheme.

PC 606502, gondola, Cleveland, Ohio. Photo by Dick Ross. is an example of the PENN CENTRAL gondola

http://pc.smellycat.com/pics/equip/gons.html

Andrew

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