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Do the manufacturers come out with similar things at around the same time to block each other, or because they think the complimentary items actually increase their sales, or a little bit of both?  MTH/Atlas does a 44 tonner and now Lionel has one.  Scott Mann is coming out with Amtrak locomotives and beautiful scale passenger cars from GGD and Lionel goes hard on Amtrak from roughly the same period in this catalog.  Lionel and MTH each came out with a Santa Fe “gold bonnet” Alco PA and cars set at around the same time.  

Mind you, the choice is great for us…and It often works beautifully…I can’t wait to see my VL Daylight GS3 pull Scott’s Daylight passenger cars.  But I don’t get the thinking behind having the exact same thing like the 44 tonner or gold bonnet PA set within months of another manufacturer.

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@das boot posted:

Having reviewed the above "Muffin" listings for a previous hour, I am much impressed with the variety of Military and Veteran inspired diesel themes at a variety of multiple price points.

May I offer a twenty gun salute to Lionel for their Veteran support.

Here Here!! I concur whole heartedly. Lionel is all in with the veteran tribute trains. The best way we veterans can say thank you: buy them all!!😁

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@Alec_6460 posted:

Santa Fe 2-10-4s?   ****.  I must have at least 1.  Even though I just bought a 3rd Rail version on the Bay.  Hope it at least has whistle steam and some other cool features for that price.

Other than that, looks like my wallet is in the clear.  I usually get every VL but the Class A isn’t speaking to me.   But I’ll probably change my mind if the “mystery feature” is really good.  

I'm in the same boat. I just had had the same 3rd Rail version upgraded with cruise. It will be hard to pass up from Lionel.

If the listings on Mrmuffins are pretty much everything, I’m…..underwhelmed. There is nothing for traditional or semi scale folks……no new lionchief plus 2.0 steam, no new lionmaster steam. I guess if you don’t have a scale layout, Lionel doesn’t much care for your business. I honestly thought they would try to fill the Railking void……but it looks like they don’t plan to.

@MartyE posted:

Just got this email this morning from Lionel...

Wishes for this catalog are no longer being accepted. All further wishes should be forwarded to the next "Wish List for the Next Lionel Catalog" thread.  Please keep in mind that wishes may take several catalog cycles before being granted due to the fact that the next catalog is probably already done so technically all wishes from here forward will at the earliest be granted in the 2023 Volume 1 catalog.  Also Lionel has a policy of not accepting suggestions but wishes are always welcome.  Please remember not all wishes come true either.  If you wish to speak to someone about a wish that was not granted please email the genie in the wish department.  We are located across the hall from Lenny the Lion.

Wishfully yours the Lionel Genie.

At least they have a great sense of humor! Hard not to like those guys but doesn't keep some from trying.

@NCogaugefan posted:

If the listings on Mrmuffins are pretty much everything, I’m…..underwhelmed. There is nothing for traditional or semi scale folks……no new lionchief plus 2.0 steam, no new lionmaster steam. I guess if you don’t have a scale layout, Lionel doesn’t much care for your business. I honestly thought they would try to fill the Railking void……but it looks like they don’t plan to.

Why don't you wait until the catalog actually drops.  I suspect there is more there.

@NCogaugefan posted:

If the listings on Mrmuffins are pretty much everything, I’m…..underwhelmed. There is nothing for traditional or semi scale folks……no new lionchief plus 2.0 steam, no new lionmaster steam. I guess if you don’t have a scale layout, Lionel doesn’t much care for your business. I honestly thought they would try to fill the Railking void……but it looks like they don’t plan to.

Traditional items (including conventional and the Lionel Chief Plus line) as well as Christmas items and some of the branded offerings are supposed to be listed separately. The word was that the print catalog would have the VL, Legacy, and higher end stuff with all others online only.

So, plenty more to come.

I think I have this right?

@NCogaugefan posted:

If the listings on Mrmuffins are pretty much everything, I’m…..underwhelmed. There is nothing for traditional or semi scale folks……no new lionchief plus 2.0 steam, no new lionmaster steam. I guess if you don’t have a scale layout, Lionel doesn’t much care for your business. I honestly thought they would try to fill the Railking void……but it looks like they don’t plan to.

there's gonna be stuff for us i'm sure

there always is

The would be a 45 tonner.  Which oddly enough, was smaller than the 44 tonner. (HO models shown)

Rusty

OK, yes I know some were 45 tonners, if not all. But Lionel etc. always makes fantacy engines that RRs never had, just like generic 10-wheelers. So even if the side rods work, but do not actually power the engine, the look would be there. Here's a shot of our 45 tonner.

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