Don, I don't think you set is missing anything. I'm almost certain you set is the poor relation to set #16 - good old #15 of footnote fame.
Catalog cut for 1925
I have a slightly earlier boxed version of #15 with cars with square ends and square corner roofs. According to Greenberg the cars you have in your set would be correct for a #15 set from the 1924-25 time frame. By the way - the engine has #16 cast under the cab and is listed as #28 in the catalog cut.
Set #15 ca 1923-24
WOW!! Robert, thank you for posting the data and the correct engine number. 1924-25 so I can now date it more properly. I thought that I might have simply had a set that somehow "lost" its observation car in its near century of life. I am much more happy to know that it was just a "poor relation" to set #16 and was in fact as offered for sale originally (even if it was a footnote) 
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Don
Tootsietoy refurb:
Somethin' from nothin'...
PD
I have something fun coming from Czechoslovakia. I can't wait to play and show off......
@jhz563 posted:I have something fun coming from Czechoslovakia. I can't wait to play and show off......
New from Merkur?
jhz563...Not Fair! The suspense is too much...
Don
Love ETS!!!
Bob
jhz563: What a beautiful engine and a "duplex" to boot ! I noted the sign ..."Alderbohn" under the cab. Since bohn is basically railroad in German and "Alder" means wood (or birch wood) I wondered if this meant this was a lumber industry locomotive, sure looks like a lumber hauler to me. Anyway its really nice what a great acquisition. Tell us more about the manufacturer if you will, how did you decide to purchase this piece?
Don
Realized I never posted a picture of my ETS loco. The box car behind it has working marker lights. Might have to buy some extra cars once I got a layout built. Also, before I forget: Pardon the mess! In the process of tearing down old drywall and getting ready to replace it with new drywall. Hope to start construction of a layout soon.
I think you can still get these engines from ETS. You can find it under '198' on the ETS trains website.
@Don McErlean posted:jhz563: What a beautiful engine and a "duplex" to boot ! I noted the sign ..."Alderbohn" under the cab. Since bohn is basically railroad in German and "Alder" means wood (or birch wood) I wondered if this meant this was a lumber industry locomotive, sure looks like a lumber hauler to me. Anyway its really nice what a great acquisition. Tell us more about the manufacturer if you will, how did you decide to purchase this piece?
Don
I made a separate post about this engine. I hope you all like it.
I'm afraid this isn't nearly as impressive as jhz563's ETS but it is the end of a long search for a small item over in my neck of the woods.
I've owned this 4 wheel Peerless since forever
...and since forever I've been trying to find an equally nice 4 wheel Bing Shell tank to go with it....well finally, two weeks ago I found one.
...now all I have to do is find the yellow version.
One item worth noting - the spacing of the domes - the Peerless does show up from time to time with dome spacing like the Shell but I've never seen a Shell in any condition with a dome spacing like the illustrated Peerless - my guess would be this is because there are lithoed rivets identifying the location of the domes on the Shell.
Robert : Great find, I am somewhat of a tank car collector. I have never seen the Bing Shell (red) tanker before. Below I am sending a picture of my "Peerless" Bing tanker. It appears that mine is less "green" than yours and is a darker shade, almost a grey / blue. Could this be another variant or more likely just production variances.
Happy Saturday and great find. Respectfully
Don
I'd just chalk it up to variation in production. For example - here are two of the 8 wheel Peerless cars.
The first definitely has a yellowish cast to it whereas the second is a darker gray and the lettering is silver/white.
Agree Robert, thanks for responding. Your second 8 wheel Peerless has a more similar color to my 4 wheel so I agree its most likely just a variation in production with a slight shift of the color.
Thanks again for the response
Don
Assuming the background blue is similar this may be nothing more that a color shift due to camera settings or light photographed under.
*Commercial photographer my whole working career
Southern Crescent 2 : Good point, thanks for the input.
Don
That's a good point Southern Crescent. It has been a few years since I photographed the tank car on the left - the earlier posted picture is a scanned slide - so I hauled them both out - they are different.
Good photo.
I cant be right all the time.
Well I did. This mostly unrestored 8E is a real gem. 
@Don McErlean & @Robert S. Butler
I have the yellow Bing BP.. in not very great cosmetic condition sadly , but hey , at least it exists still lol
Showing every one of its years
Now that is interesting Fatman. I was referring to the Yellow version of the Shell car. Other than the red and yellow Shell tank cars the only other 4 wheel Bing tank I knew about was the blue and white Pratt's - I've never heard of, and until now have never seen a BP version - oh well, just one more thing to hunt for!
Here is my modest haul from the Renningers meet on Saturday. This should hold me for a while. Catalogs, caboose and gondolas courtesy of @John H. Shetler.
Nothing rare or unusual, but these pieces will run on my Christmas layout. The gons will carry Christmas trees as well as candy and small presents, which should delight the granddaughter. I have had no luck with finding some of the prewar signals I wanted, so I went ahead and bought a few 153s, which are "technically" prewar. I am debating altering these, just for the fun of it. Maybe a new color base and a white disk where the black hood is now- just to make something more period, toylike and unique. Not sure yet.
The big find was the searchlight car. After visiting the entire show with no luck, I found three at the last two tables. This was the best and for some reason the least expensive of the three- about 1/2 the price of a typical piece in worse shape on Ebay. The paint is perfect and the rubber stamped lettering is intact and clear on both sides. All parts accounted for.
After a bit of internal debate, I decided to polish up the brass (as well as the couplers). I used Goddards cleaner for copper and brass and my fingers mostly. In the first photo I have cleaned one ring only. The rest of the photos and video show the car after polishing. I am happy- the idea is to add more light and sparkle to the layout.
The short video has a little Fats Waller sound track.
@Robert S. Butler posted:I'm afraid this isn't nearly as impressive as jhz563's ETS but it is the end of a long search for a small item over in my neck of the woods.
I've owned this 4 wheel Peerless since forever
...and since forever I've been trying to find an equally nice 4 wheel Bing Shell tank to go with it....well finally, two weeks ago I found one.
...now all I have to do is find the yellow version.
One item worth noting - the spacing of the domes - the Peerless does show up from time to time with dome spacing like the Shell but I've never seen a Shell in any condition with a dome spacing like the illustrated Peerless - my guess would be this is because there are lithoed rivets identifying the location of the domes on the Shell.
I have the Peerless car, but it came as part of a Hafner set. Hafner did not have their own freight cars so the bought Bing cars.
Steve
Been about a year since I’ve added a Robert’s Line piece to the roster.
Steve
@Fatman & @Robert S. Butler : OK I may have mistakenly caused some confusion. When I mentioned the Green BP car I was referring to the PionerExpressen cars that Fatman had posted along with the Whittlock locomotive. Anyway here is the green BP PionerExpressen tank car.
Don
@Don McErlean posted:Robert : Great find, I am somewhat of a tank car collector. I have never seen the Bing Shell (red) tanker before. Below I am sending a picture of my "Peerless" Bing tanker. It appears that mine is less "green" than yours and is a darker shade, almost a grey / blue. Could this be another variant or more likely just production variances.
Happy Saturday and great find. Respectfully
Don
Don,
Bing had made much colour variations.
For example 3 of my UK milk cars. I have 8 of them and all are a bit different.
Arne
Thanks Arnie good to know and your example makes it clear that production variances did occur.
Best wishes
Don
Hey all- it’s been a minute!
@Don McErlean nice Peerless tank car! You too, @Robert S. Butler and congrats on that red shell tank car!
@STeve “Papa” Eastman i totally forgot that bit about Hafner and Bing- it was so long ago I heard it but I never verified it as being true.
@Will nice street lamp! BTW, were you at Renninger’s this past weekend? If so, did you have a table set up? I feel like I mighta stopped by but am just realizing it now ha
Haven’t bought any tin in quite awhile- fell back into it last week into the weekend. It started when these arrived on Friday( @Fatman I think you might appreciate these)
Was on ebay and saw an auction for two “prewar” Ferris Electric Trains. I’d never heard of them- but some quick research revealing they were an Australian company, had original boxes, and appeared in good shape- plus the $15 BIN- and they had me.
Ferris nameplate 
are in even better condition then the photos showed online. I just thought they were really neat
then came Renninger’s- nothing too big but did get some cool stuff:
The “boring” things first- reference guides! They’ve already proven useful.
Two new Marx cars. C&S yellow Reefer is dinged up but that’s fine. The 246 Montclair is my first Marx train with the silver litho on the frame and Joy Line couplers
QUestions regarding the Joy Line couplers(pic below). I know the one on the right is what a Joy line coupler looked like, I’ve never seen the kind on the left? Also, while I know the couplers are supposed to enter/exit the “pocket” on body, is this how the bottom of these cars should look?
2.5 years since mistakenly getting a Lionel Lines 1691 in a set of three 1690 series maroon coaches. Not that I’ve been searching, but FINALLY have the matching Observation.... Albeit with a brown roof ha
One JEP passenger car sans wheels and a JeP lumber car. Don’t know what I’m going to do with them yet but the log car is a big boy for O.
Last- what I believe is a Bing NYC Lines Passenger car that came with a set- at least according to one completed auction. Additional verification is welcome! as well as my first Standard gauge car! I thought it was an MTH tinplate traditions/Lionel Corporation but must’ve misunderstood b/c I can’t find any MTH red std. gauge and I 
Also-my first Standard gauge car! I thought it was an MTH tinplate traditions/Lionel Corporation but must’ve misheard “restored” for “repro” b/c I can’t find any MTH red std. gauge Lionel Lines #36. I don’t know prewar, 70s/80s repro, or modern std. gauge- I’ve tried searches- can anyone confirm that it was never reproduced by Williams, Lionel Classics or MTH?
That’s it...for now. Enjoy! It’s good to be back around tin!!!
Wow excellent buy on the Ferris ! ( and uber uber cheap! ) @StevefromPA
Although I am sure you know , if you have had time to do any research on them yet , that the Ferris are def POST-war ... as the company started up in the post war prosperity to bring toys to us Aussie kids as imports were rather scarce and costly at the time
A brief synopsis on Ferris can be found along with reference to your particular wagon here
https://collection.maas.museum/object/44997
and other Ferris items here ferris
As you will see the companies "main" business was making groovy radios and "portable" sound
@StevefromPA posted:@Will nice street lamp! BTW, were you at Renninger’s this past weekend? If so, did you have a table set up? I feel like I mighta stopped by but am just realizing it now ha
Hi Steve, yes I was, but I didn't have a table. I hung out at John Shetler's table though. I posted my finds from Renningers a few posts up on this page.
That's a nice collection of stuff you scored. I think @Fatman (48 Club-Tinplate Chapter:Aussie Division) is wishing he could have teleported there. I thought the show was pretty good for tinplate. Eventually I ran out of money. Good thing I didn't bring more.
@StevefromPA posted:
Last- what I believe is a Bing NYC Lines Passenger car that came with a set- at least according to one completed auction.
Steve,
the NYC Pullman is not Bing, was made by Kraus Fandor in the 20s.
Arne
@Fatman thanks- and yup I knew they weren’t prewar. Thank you for the links, I checked binns road and they had a some good pics from a catalog. After seeing the most recent auctions for each of these cars is Aussie dollars from 2012(when the AUD was greater than the American dollar while I was in Brisbane and then flipped back- as I know all too well being late to exchange) I realized I got a steal. Not that the $ matters. Just really cool to have these unique, fantastic condition trains from the country I can’t wait to revisit one day
@Will posted:Hi Steve, yes I was, but I didn't have a table. I hung out at John Shetler's table though. I posted my finds from Renningers a few posts up on this page.
That's a nice collection of stuff you scored. I think @Fatman (48 Club-Tinplate Chapter:Aussie Division) is wishing he could have teleported there. I thought the show was pretty good for tinplate. Eventually I ran out of money. Good thing I didn't bring more.
Just curious are there any more members in the Aussie division? I am think of 2 or 3 max! Sadly, of course, the parallels between young Australia and the development of the US that I learned studying at UQ where incredibly interesting.
and yes, I thought the show was overflowing with tinplate at decent prices. Was John out back away from the pavilions? Towards the actual Renninger’s building, There were some very great sellers- a gentleman who loved his American Bing and next to him a gentleman, a bit stout in size with a beard, who I wish I would’ve bought his ROW well car. The former is where Got this Hornby pedestrian bridge, which I forgot to post, for $5.
@StevefromPA posted:Just curious are there any more members in the Aussie division? I am think of 2 or 3 max! Sadly, of course, the parallels between young Australia and the development of the US that I learned studying at UQ where incredibly interesting.
and yes, I thought the show was overflowing with tinplate at decent prices. Was John out back away from the pavilions? Towards the actual Renninger’s building, There were some very great sellers- a gentleman who loved his American Bing and next to him a gentleman, a bit stout in size with a beard, who I wish I would’ve bought his ROW well car. The former is where Got this Hornby pedestrian bridge, which I forgot to post, for $5.
Wow, you did find some deals. Don't know of any other Aussie Tinplate guys on here. Years ago in my first OGR Forum stint, there was a Lionel collector from New Zealand, whom I visited on a trip there in 2005. I have to unearth his name and see if he is still around.
John was in the pavilion furthest from Renningers building- far right, near side, as you walked toward it. Booth 255 I think. He had two tables- all pre-war Lionel O pretty much.
The Aussie Tinplate Chapter is pretty exclusive .... LOL!!!
<--- here is a photo of all our members waving taken at the Easter Party 
It’s been awhile since I’ve posted here, but I do have a new addition to my tinplate o gauge. Here it is, an Ives 3200 which is from about 1915 to 1916. When I saw the little guy he was missing the pickup roller and one of the wheels was in need of adjustment. The seller stated that the motor worked but was in need of work due to the previously mentioned issues. Thankfully I won and the locomotive arrived safe and sound. At first I was afraid that the wheels would be a pain to get put back on right. But thankfully Ives had the state of mind to use wheels that would screw in to the axle and then were secured in place by a hexagon head nut. So thankfully neither a vice or wheel puller were needed, Woohoo! Anyhow I soon was able to re-adjust the wheel and get them back into functioning order. Next I ordered a pickup plate and now the locomotive runs like a champ. Take a look:
Trainfam
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