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gunrunnerjohn posted:

I may have to spring for the LC+ 2.0 Docside Switcher, $249 MSRP for all the features is a really good price!  I see the PRR one in my future!   I'm eager to see how well all this is supported for that price, I hope to be impressed!

Those definitely look like a great product John.  I'm looking to get the BEDT 15 Docksider as is a coworker after I showed him.  We were both amazed at the price point of these for what you get.  I enjoy my conventional docksider as well as my basic Lionchief Christmas one, so this should be a great product if done correctly.

Dave Warburton posted:

A surprising amount of HO in this catalog. I am surprised that Lionel is jumping into HO again as big as they are. Both previous attempts (1950s and 1970s) failed. Maybe the third time is the charm?

Try fourth time. Lionel did s stint in the late 2990's/ turn of the century with the UP "big blow".

I also noticed many of this "new Lionel  HO" looks s lot like model power stuff. Did Lionel aquire or aquire the rights to Mfg former Model power stuff?

Bryant Dunivan 111417 posted:

Simple question.  Would the products be high quality if they did use their tooling?  Don’t know much about HO except it hard to read the print on stock across the table.  

I’m not trying to be biased, but IMHO model power is the lowest quality detail you can buy in HO. If Lionel did indeed buy the tooling or molds or whatever, they are not very high quality. I believe they have some sort of deal because the Army train or military passenger train are awfully close to the model power version. If you want Ho scale that’s high quality, don’t buy the new Lionel’s.

NS6770Fan posted:
Bryant Dunivan 111417 posted:

Simple question.  Would the products be high quality if they did use their tooling?  Don’t know much about HO except it hard to read the print on stock across the table.  

I’m not trying to be biased, but IMHO model power is the lowest quality detail you can buy in HO. If Lionel did indeed buy the tooling or molds or whatever, they are not very high quality. I believe they have some sort of deal because the Army train or military passenger train are awfully close to the model power version. If you want Ho scale that’s high quality, don’t buy the new Lionel’s.

From the Volume 2 catalog HO description for rolling stock, "rugged design for hands-on play," Lionel is definitely not pretending to match other high quality HO manufacturers. It appears to be more "toy" fashioned, let the smaller hands pick it up and play, not worrying about fragile and prototypical  models.

enjoy your trains...

 

 

 

Well, now that I've seen the whole catalog, there are a few things that would fit with my layout.

I may actually have to break down and get a Big Boy this time. Much as I would like the 4005 (duh), it will probably be 4014, as my rule for steam is, I have to have seen it under steam, in the Twin Cities.  Probably going to have to modify a few spots on the layout to be able to run it. The layout was designed before anyone made a Big Boy.

Gotta keep working on my excursion set, and the Experience baggage car. The Amtrak camera dome is a must have. It'll go great with my rainbow Empire Builder. It'll be a game time decision on the GN / BN F7's and the B unit. They are pretty, two of my favorite colors.

No freight this time, but I have plenty of that.

For me this catalog is high buck low volume. To each his own.

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ed h posted:

Whats up with the NYC Empire State Express pass cars (83617 & 83618) on page 58-59 ?   Aren't those the same two pass cars from 2 pack 83616 (2017 Signature Catalog) ?

Yes they are but there was some kind of problem in the past with them. When I mean problem I mean not the product itself but the buyers. If think this was discussed earlier in this thread. 

Dave45681 posted:
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Big Jim posted:

I see that once again Lionel missed the party with the Shark Fin car. Should have been painted up in Jimmy Buffett "Fins" and with sound playing the song!

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And add another 100.00 to the price.

And the kids they are trying to aim it at would all know/care who Jimmy Buffett is, right?  (I'm thinking no).

-Dave

If you think some movie houses, or restaurant franchises have large licensing fees, you haven't experienced getting a license for Jimmy Buffet stuff.  I haven't personally, but associates in the music biz have, and Jimmy makes a ton of money off of licensing.   Smart businessman.

G3750 posted:
Dave NYC Hudson PRR K4 posted:
G3750 posted:

Check out pages 54-55.  Apparently someone at Lionel is smoking something.      

http://catalogs.lionel.com/19c2/

George

Yeah George, that one really made my jaw drop. I didn't think it was from smoking though.

Yeah, I'm thinking something much, much more serious.  

Wow, just wow.  And at $45 a pop MSRP, too.    

I simply don't understand it.

George

I think they're cool.   Would look good behind my Beeps

Well, I looked at the catalog online.  Ordered the Challenger Expansion Pack, Baggage Promontory and yes... The camera equipped vista dome.  So far the set is complete and I know I would want it later.  Enough watching auction sites after the release.  Took me 2 years to complete my MTH 20th Century passenger cars.

I was disappointed no C&O wooden boxcar.  It will look good with my Allegheny and Coal Hoppers.  My gut says, next catalog.  The good news is that I am in for less than $1,000.  Been a long time.  No motive required.  That helped.

Roger Wasson posted:

On page 103 they have "POWER & CONTROL". But it only shows transformers and powerhouses. NO Legacy or other control items ???????  Are they not going to be selling Legacy in the future with all of it's controls?

But I will buy the George Bush Funeral train and also the FRISCO #4524 Steam and Tender.

My guess is that Lionel ran out of space in this catalog.  Legacy control will be BAAAAAACK!

The Cotton Belt ABBA is a beautiful, beautiful loc consist.  Gorgeous in Black Widow.

The SP S-4 is a major attraction.  Will look nice on my layout.

I cannot any longer buy the large 072 only locs as I only have one relatively short 072 loop on my new layout.  I have as many of the large locs as I can successfully incorporate.  BUT.  I might sell some of old ones and spring for the new with B/T, etc.  Lionel - for me -has made good, generally reliable products in this category.

There are about another half-dozen items from this catalog that will find a home at my home.  

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