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from a simple guy.

 

as documented in the 3 rail forum, i recently switched from powering my layout with four PW ZW's (3 outputs of one, 4 outputs of the second and 2 outputs of the third) supplying power to nine isolated power districts.  the other outputs were powering lights, signals, switches and the 4th ZW was dedicated to accessories.

 

following the advice of Lionel to better operate my now exclusively Legacy motive power, i switched track power to 4 180w bricks fed to the tracks by TMCC direct lockons. i removed two of he ZW's and the remaining two are doing the lights, accessories, etc.

 

i found that the absolute 10amp limit of the new equipment could be achieved under certain situations.  i never had an overload on the old setup that wasn't the result of a derailment.

 

since the bricks are supplying 2 districts (one supplying 3), i decided to add two more bricks and shift the troublesome districts so they are supplied by a single brick.  becoming expensive.

 

here is my first question.  i have all 4 current bricks and the 2 ZW's powered from a single outlet so that i can power the layout up and down with a single switch.  If i add two more bricks to this outlet, what is going to happen?  i believe these are 20 amp circuits (when building the room i told them i need plenty of power...this is a two outlet floor unit and i have six other wall mounted outlets). i do not know how many circuit breakers on my panel are associated with this room.  the panel is not labeled and i would have to do the on/off game to determine.

 

2nd question.  i put fast acting circuit breakers on the layout of a design described by jim barrett in a backshop article.  i cannot recall their exact specification.  they were there because of the slow reacting ZW breakers.

 

i have left them out of the loop in the current configuration.  my problem with this is while the TMCC direct lockon breakers seem to be reasonably quick, they cycle back on by themselves.  i would rather they stay off until i can get the to main switch and shut things down. i could wire the breakers back in, but wonder if there is a downside (or even an upside) to doing this. that's the question.

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Forrest;

20 amps at 120VAC is 2400 Watts available. That takes a lot of trains to overload.

To be sure, Look at the bricks and total up the input wattage.

I suspect you are fine but that is the only way to be sure.

 

Putting the breakers back in circuit will not hurt anything but the direct lockons may pop first and prevent them from opening. It all depends on which one is set lower or faster.

If so they will probably open when the lockons reset.

Either way, no harm will be done by putting them in.

 

Sounds like you run some heavy amperage trains, have you considered replacing the light bulbs in passenger consists with LEDs?  That will curb the power draw significantly.

 

As Red used to say;

Take Care and God Bless

Forrest

 

I did a number of my own sets with good results. It is easier after you do a few and you can do a set in and evening. Dallee and others sell pre-made strips which are good but a bit pricey. However some of these cars are not that easy to get apart,and that is the most difficult part of the conversion usually for me. I think anyone who offered that service would have the problem of risking breakage,not only from doing the conversion but shipping and packing both ways,little parts tend to break off. And if he/she does not break it, UPS or the post office probably would. Then the shipping cost itself makes it costly,probably more than most customers would pay. I sure would not do someone else's for the above reasons and also the type of lighting intensity I like may not be to another person's preference..  DYI if you have the skills is the best way,unless you can find someone competent locally offering the service.

 

Eventually you will have to take the cars apart to replace light bulbs anyway. When this happens I would consider converting,since getting them apart is at least half the job.

 

Dale H

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Ha!

 

i have 7 passenger trains of between 7 and 11 cars (not all running at the same time).

 

the railking cars i can get apart OK.  

 

the k-line cars are more difficult.  in fact the milwaukee full dome apparently can be taken apart only by trained professionals and i could not get the observation car apart.

 

the k-line california zephyr domes are very tricky.

 

i have not attempted any of the lionel cars, so i don't know how difficult they might be.

 

just not the thing i am good at.  

I picked the component form to fit in the space, after the picture I hot-glued them in.  Sometimes I use radial lead capacitors if the placement is different.  The one LED that they span is well past the windows, so I wasn't worried about blocking it.  It so happened the strips exactly fit between the vestibule mounting screws with no room to spare.  I used the single diode after testing at 8 volts and having plenty if brightness, so the bridge is back in the parts box.  Since I plan on running command, 18 volts through the bridge give me lots of voltage to drop, that heats up that little CL2 a bit much.  The diode is a much better fit for the environment.

 

The entire car is lit with 20ma, and if anything it's almost too bright!  LED's really are the way to go to chop your power consumption way down.  These six cars will go from about 2.6 amps to around 160ma, or a reduction of well over 90% in power consumption!  The only reason for some of the extra power is the drumhead and markers are incandescent and I'm leaving them because they look better than the LED's I tried.

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