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@coach joe posted:

Larry, the Santa Fe blue and yellow war bonnet is always striking.

I don't know why but I always liked this scheme for the BNSF. Maybe because the cream isn't a traditional railroad color and the red pinstripes set it off wonderfully.

I felt the same way about the BNSF since it came out, I even commented to Larry when he first bought it. An ES44AC just doesn’t work with my steam to diesel transition era.

Gene

@RailRide posted:

Amazing how much stuff was squirreled away in MTH's warehouse . Yet another auction from their archives surfaced May 8 and I was there with a keen interest in prototypes and samples...

railking undec caboose....possibly an engineering sample...  Will said gaggle of cabeese become part of a larger train of unpainted samples from these warehouse auctions? Sure looks that way

Very cool acquisitions! They would make a unique consist.

Over the years been looking for the Pre-war semi-scale cars in my budget.  Got 2 together at an auction, well within budget.

This is the 2957 before clean up.   This may have been why there weren't many bidders.

The only real problem besides dirt and oiling was a new wire for the light. No warpage.  The light bulb was still good, looked original.   After cleanup.

The 2954, needed a uncoupler rod and a brake wheel.    Little more paint missing on this one.

Overall they look great to me.

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3 Mikes here - Top down:  American Flyer #4501 Mikado, middle MTH 4501 Mikado and lower HO gauge 'Maggie Valley Southern' Mikado

The American Flyer is the recent acquisition arriving yesterday from CA.   I've not seen any of the Lionel Flyer up close before and this is a very nicely detailed model of the 4501.

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From Cabin Fever's MTH warehouse auction, 5/8/24, more undecorated samples. Descriptions reference the images above them:

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First up is this 50' double plug-door boxcar. I think it's the first of its kind in my collection, painted or not. The plug doors do recess into the body when closed, so there's that. No tags were present in this lot other than CFA's tag for the lot sitting inside the car, setting up the possibility this carbody and the others in this lot (waffle-side boxcar and coke hopper) were fitted with trucks in anticipation of a sell-off.

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Next is this 50' waffle-sided boxcar. Like the plug-door variant, this is the first of its kind in my collection, resplendent in bare blue plastic , Both of these rather large cars will be looking for some kind of packaging, as they're too tall for the usual trading-card boxes that will house the smaller cars in this group.

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Another rather chonky specimen is this coke hopper. Not a stranger to my collection type-wise as I have a bunch of these in Norfolk Southern (and another ten-pack of 2024 reissues on pre-order ). Coke is lighter than coal and as such you can stuff significantly more into a hopper before the whole kit-and-caboodle reaches the 286,000 pound limit. For this reason coke hoppers are...significantly taller than typical three and four-bay coal hoppers (NS nicknamed theirs "High Top"), although standard coal hoppers can be found in coke trains, which the pair of NS four-bay hoppers from the Tony Lash collection that I won in the 5/1 auction will represent. Curiously, this one has what appears to be a standard coal load sitting in the car. Unsurprisingly it doesn't fit, but I have yet to determine what other hopper it might be for. Like the boxcars above, this one is too big (tall) for a BCW card-box so I'll have to figure out what I can put this one in.

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Next up is this Premier bathtub gondola (Coalporter?). This is another first-timer in my collection, as surprisingly enough, I never pursued a dedicated coal train (other commodities were more interesting). This example appears to be a test shot (speculation) of an upgraded version as it has the holes for separately-fitted fine-wire rungs, but no such parts installed. It does however have the brakewheel+chain detail assembly installed, and trucks with sliding-bar couplers. Unlike the first three cars in this post, a BCW-800 box will fit this one,

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Premier three-bay cylindrical hoppers. This pair and their bigger four-bay siblings below were part of the same lot. These appear to be engineering samples of upgraded-detail Premier cars as they have the fine-wire railings and rungs, not to mention the upgraded trucks with the sliding-bar uncoupling mechanism and brake-hose detail. No clue what the colored bands signify -- they don't look painted, and the cylindrical carbody is a single-piece molding near as I can tell.

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Four-bay cylindrical hoppers. Same deal with the three-bay versions, these look like samples of the upgraded tooling, though the significance of the colored bands (and different-colored hopper gates) escapes me. At first glance, the bands made me think of modular tooling, as the black colored ends look identical to the three-bay versions, and the body appears to be a single-piece (although it could be three pieces with some awesomely precise fitting). Storage-wise, while the three-bay cars will fit (barely) in a BCW-800 box, these four-bay cars will require the extra-long BCW-930 card box (oddly enough, so do Lionel's Hogwarts' coaches)

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@c.sam posted:

3 Mikes here - Top down:  American Flyer #4501 Mikado, middle MTH 4501 Mikado and lower HO gauge 'Maggie Valley Southern' Mikado

The American Flyer is the recent acquisition arriving yesterday from CA.   I've not seen any of the Lionel Flyer up close before and this is a very nicely detailed model of the 4501.

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Love the southern color scheme, but  You gotta add the Eliso Feedwater heaters

@RailRide posted:

From Cabin Fever's MTH warehouse auction, 5/8/24, more undecorated samples. Descriptions reference the images above them:

premier 50' double plugdoor boxcar undec

First up is this 50' double plug-door boxcar. I think it's the first of its kind in my collection, painted or not. The plug doors do recess into the body when closed, so there's that. No tags were present in this lot other than CFA's tag for the lot sitting inside the car, setting up the possibility this carbody and the others in this lot (waffle-side boxcar and coke hopper) were fitted with trucks in anticipation of a sell-off.

premier 50' waffleside boxcar undec

Next is this 50' waffle-sided boxcar. Like the plug-door variant, this is the first of its kind in my collection, resplendent in bare blue plastic , Both of these rather large cars will be looking for some kind of packaging, as they're too tall for the usual trading-card boxes that will house the smaller cars in this group.

premier cokehopper undec

Another rather chonky specimen is this coke hopper. Not a stranger to my collection type-wise as I have a bunch of these in Norfolk Southern (and another ten-pack of 2024 reissues on pre-order ). Coke is lighter than coal and as such you can stuff significantly more into a hopper before the whole kit-and-caboodle reaches the 286,000 pound limit. For this reason coke hoppers are...significantly taller than typical three and four-bay coal hoppers (NS nicknamed theirs "High Top"), although standard coal hoppers can be found in coke trains, which the pair of NS four-bay hoppers from the Tony Lash collection that I won in the 5/1 auction will represent. Curiously, this one has what appears to be a standard coal load sitting in the car. Unsurprisingly it doesn't fit, but I have yet to determine what other hopper it might be for. Like the boxcars above, this one is too big (tall) for a BCW card-box so I'll have to figure out what I can put this one in.

premier coalporter gondola undec

Next up is this Premier bathtub gondola (Coalporter?). This is another first-timer in my collection, as surprisingly enough, I never pursued a dedicated coal train (other commodities were more interesting). This example appears to be a test shot (speculation) of an upgraded version as it has the holes for separately-fitted fine-wire rungs, but no such parts installed. It does however have the brakewheel+chain detail assembly installed, and trucks with sliding-bar couplers. Unlike the first three cars in this post, a BCW-800 box will fit this one,

premier 3bay cyl-hopper undec-1premier 3bay cyl-hopper undec-2

Premier three-bay cylindrical hoppers. This pair and their bigger four-bay siblings below were part of the same lot. These appear to be engineering samples of upgraded-detail Premier cars as they have the fine-wire railings and rungs, not to mention the upgraded trucks with the sliding-bar uncoupling mechanism and brake-hose detail. No clue what the colored bands signify -- they don't look painted, and the cylindrical carbody is a single-piece molding near as I can tell.

premier 4bay cyl-hopper undec-1premier 4bay cyl-hopper undec-2

Four-bay cylindrical hoppers. Same deal with the three-bay versions, these look like samples of the upgraded tooling, though the significance of the colored bands (and different-colored hopper gates) escapes me. At first glance, the bands made me think of modular tooling, as the black colored ends look identical to the three-bay versions, and the body appears to be a single-piece (although it could be three pieces with some awesomely precise fitting). Storage-wise, while the three-bay cars will fit (barely) in a BCW-800 box, these four-bay cars will require the extra-long BCW-930 card box (oddly enough, so do Lionel's Hogwarts' coaches)

[Previous:] CFA MTH warehouse auction wins from 5/8/24 [1 of 2]-- [Next] some assorted freight cars from Cabin Fever 5/18 (upcoming)

---PCJ

Can't wait to see them with your Roadname on them

Patrick,  BCW makes a two piece box, cover slides over the box, and it is taller.  I put some pretty big loads on some Menard's 14-1/2" flat car, Jordan spreader, patrol boat, Siku 1:55 power shovel and used the two piece boxes for those cars.  They're in storage right now but looking at the BCW web site they look like the vault storage boxes.

I've been on a bit of a buying spree lately and with the exception of previously posted "recent" purchases I've got no one to blame except my own little voices.  No Brooklyn "accent", pure Bronx with a bit of a drawl thanks to my Dad who hailed from NC.  So here goes.

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Just prior to my trip back to Great Big Sand Bar of New York City our friends at Trainz were happy to sell me this Plasticville Turnpike Interchange toll booth, some side wall J vents, electric meters and battery boxes to add detail to the layout, a Tomar Alaska Railroad drum head and some CN intermodal decals that I was certain I needed but really didn't.  Now there's no room for a turnpike on my 4x8 but I figure the toll booth can serve as the gated entry to any industrial facility, intermodal yard or military installation.

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I found this Patton Tank model kit at Ollie's, a local discount chain.  I really need to start assembling some models and put that military train together.

Then there was the previously documented trip to Nassau Hobby and some of their custom runs and that wonderful Weaver aluminum 20th Century Limited Pullman.

Upon returning home I started searching for some more LIRR items.  Once again our friends at Trainz were happy to oblige.  I found several items, two of which were still in the private car.  When the first, a LIRR flat with a Northrup Grumman trailer, cleared I pounced, had it my cart but while continuing to shop I either took too long or did something wrong and that item was gone from my cart.  But hey it was free shipping day so onward, here's that purchase. I really needed that little fire man figure for one of my projects, boy I've got too many of them, so he's what started this all.

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A K-Line K671-3741 LIRR Classic Scale Ore Car

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A K-Line KO-5008A Husky Upgrade Kit, hey 3 sets of die cast trucks for $45, I couldn't say no.

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Seeing as how I drive a Dodge Charger Daytona and a Dodge Ram this set, at the price it was offered for was almost a no-brainer.  Did I mention the free shipping?  If I didn't buy it then I never would.  Below is a comparison of the K-Line and Lionel ore cars.  Seems like Lionel hasn't change it's tooling since the current crop is still smaller than the K-Line cars  Looking at the load in the Lionel cars when I bought them I figured a quick spray with Rustoleum Stone finish Pebble color would liven them up.  But now after seeing the K-line load, the ore in the Lionel cars will never pass for ballast.  I thinkg some real stone needs to bee added.

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That brings me to today.  On the way out the door taking my wife to an appointment there was a package.

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A K-Line K671-3743 LIRR Ballast Car in the same scheme as one of the Lionel ore cars from Nassau Hobby.  After the appointment and some lunch a walk through another Ollie's revealed an even better selection of Atlantis model kits so the Howitzer followed mehome.  I really need to start building, gotta finish the tack wiring first.IMG_3285

Another package awaited our return on the front porch.  Some of that LIRR nostalgia brought on by Nassau Hobby's custom runs and considering Palisades Park was only like a 20 minute car ride away while growing up in the Bronx I just had to have this car that I didn't buy when they first came out.  I was but still remember it well.IMG_3290IMG_3291IMG_3292IMG_3293

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Some more CFA auction wins, unrelated to the MTH warehouse for once Everything in this post came from a single lot. and for once, I got out to the driveway with the sun angle just right to light up the cars without undue shadows or late-afternoon yellow-ish light. (like what happened when I re-shot the first batch of European passenger cars last week along with the MTH warehouse cars...I replaced the original photos in that post as they were too dark for my taste)

Captions reference the photos above them. [Previous]-[Next] links at the bottom navigate to other photo posts I've made in this thread.

Lionel 6-17905

Lionel 6-17905 ADM tanker. This one sat in what I believe to be a store window for a long time going by the condition of the box. No placards found though...although being a corn-syrup (non-hazmat) tanker I wonder if they were ever included. There's a price sticker on the box indicating $76.50. A quick looksee shows this car currently going for $23-40 used. The auction win+premium+shipping came to $62.94, so I think buying all these separate via dealers/Ebay would come out a bit more if you consider shipping from individual vendors. These weren't the reason I went after this lot though.

Lionel 6-9856

Lionel 6-9856 Old Milwaukee reefer from 1975 according to the BLT. This is my first MPC reefer. I've never sought these out as a category, but it was part of the lot. The red/white Lionel box was in pretty decent condition, not shopworn-looking at all. The $39 price sticker indicates it probably passed through a few retailers since manufacture

Lionel 6-9856 detail

A close-up of the reefer door showing how the plug-door effect is accomplished on these cars. The spring inside the track pushes the door into the pocket as it is slid shut.

Lionel 6-9116

6-9116 Domino/Amstar quad hopper from 1974. Believe it or not, it's only the third Lionel quad hopper in my collection (I do have two or three Menards versions). Also with a red/white Lionel box in very good condition considering it's right around 50-years old, it carried a price sticker of the same style as the reefer above for $27, so it's almost certain to have come from the same retailer.

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K-Line K-6850 boom tender. I have a CSX version and a crane to go with it. No crane to accompany this one. Maybe the postwar one I acquired in the estate sale a few years ago...but then again there's the postwar work caboose for that one. Ah well, part and parcel of auction lots. This car for some reason is as dirty as the photo suggests. The box window is detached along the bottom, but that alone wouldn't really account for all that dust. This car's box carries a price sticker indicating it was put on sale (wherever that was) on 5/31/2016, for $15

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K-Line K-90004. KCC Christmas boxcar from 1993. I think I might have one of these already, being that I was in the KCC from Day One, and have a decent chunk of the released KCC cars all the way to the end. One day I'm going to put them all in one train for giggles. This car came from the same retailer as the boom tender above, carrying a price sticker for $19.50 when it was put on sale 4/11/2014. Oh, and there's two reasons why I left the trucks turned in -- One, they're so tight to the body I didn't want to risk chewing up the bottom of the car (or breaking something) to get the couplers facing out and two, the styrofoam insert for the car is shaped to require that the trucks face inward. That's just plain dumb

K-6850 and 6-17905 box bleaching

Like I mentioned, at least some of these cars looked to have come from a storefront, going by the severely sun-bleached boxes shown here, both the front and left-end of the box.



Now by this point, given my other entries in BACL, you might be wondering what was it that made me go after this lot? It seems to consist entirely of generic freight cars that have nothing in common with the rest of my collection. So far, you'd be right. The actual reason this lot caught my attention is the cars below:

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Oh no...more European cars . Two of them were inexplicably in this lot. They were probably tossed in as there weren't any other lots they fit in with. Even the lot desciption was mis-categorized as "HO scale". So I get to add Rivarossi to the list of manufacturers represented in my collection. This is another UIC 2-axle gondola, or "Belgian Open Goods Wagon"of the state-owned railway SNCB/NMBS, catalog number 7561. I did say awhile back that I was looking for at least one more of these, thinking I was going to equip them with an AHM knuckle-coupler conversion on one end and let them serve as "adapter wagons" for whenever I stick some of this oddball rolling stock on the end of a regular train. You know, for giggles

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Same car, pictured with its box. The end flaps open downward, and this example insisted on demonstrating that by flopping open at every opportunity. Not so fun given that box insert (a polystyrene tray) is missing, allowing the car to roll about inside. I'll have to make up something out of styrofoam with my hot-wire scroll table.

Rivarossi 7560

Second of the two, also a UIC 2-axle "goods wagon", described as a "Type E" as is its catalog mate. This one is number 7560 of one of the Italian railway operators (the markings don't make it clear which one). A previous owner cut off the buffers on this one. I can't imagine these cars negotiating curves sharp enough to induce "buffer lock" (owing to their wheelbase), so the purpose of their removal remains a mystery.

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Showing both cars with their respective boxes

Lima 6724

I hadn't talked about this one before, but I got it from Ebay just before York. Currently it's holding the Mini-Commander and pickup rollers I hope to one day install within the British class 33 diesel I showed along with my MTH Challenger a few pages back. This is a Lima two-axle UIC 'open goods wagon' lettered for the French national railway SNCF, catalog number 6724 (yes, it'll get a clean-up).

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The three wagons together. Now I have a total of four. That should be enough XD.

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Being that one of these cars was missing its box insert, I wondered briefly if I was putting the proper car in the insert. I say "briefly" because the car didn't fit. Whaaaa? It wasn't till I took a closer look and compared the three that I found that one of the Rivarossi cars (the one that actually did fit) was actually a different model. I used to think Rivarossi had acquired some Lima tooling at some point (hearkening back to the Ebay lot I passed on thanks to its pair of "duplicate" Spatenbrau 2-axle reefers), but this car makes it clear Rivarossi went their own way with similar (but better detailed / proportioned) cars to its competitor Lima (they also had their own O scale UIC passenger cars, longer than the Lima ones). These comparison photos show Rivarossi on the bottom, a Lima on top. Note the discrepancy in carbody length...

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Looking at the underside makes the difference even starker. Both cars came in Rivarossi boxes, so a head-scratcher there, until...

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Then looking closely at the underframe, you can see the top car has "LIMA ITALY" molded into its underside, while the more detailed one has "Rivarossi Italy" molded in. This changes the identity of the top wagon to Lima, making the Rivarossi box into a substitute that happened to sort-of fit -- possibly explaining why the interior tray was MIA as the car didn't fit it. Consulting my 1976 Lima catalogue (I found a hard copy on Ebay) identifies this car as Lima #6722, marked for the Societa Veneta Ferrovie although some inscriptions don't exactly match. So that's how I'll identify it in my electronic records once I get around to adding these cars to the database. But I still have that one actual Rivarossi, regardless.

---PCJ

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Had one of those "forgot a pre-order" moments. Got a call from JR Junction that the MTH Matt's Premium Utica Club cars were in last week. I ordered them a year ago almost to the day.

I bought both cars offered, with sequential numbers. I have a growing collection of Merchant's Despatch refers and a nice MTH PC SW 9 to pull them.

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@RSJB18 posted:

Had one of those "forgot a pre-order" moments. Got a call from JR Junction that the MTH Matt's Premium Utica Club cars were in last week. I ordered them a year ago almost to the day.

I bought both cars offered, with sequential numbers. I have a growing collection of Merchant's Despatch refers and a nice MTH PC SW 9 to pull them.

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Maybe, but It do make a nice surprise, and a little work and you can have consecutive order cars

@coach joe posted:

I've been on a bit of a buying spree lately and with the exception of previously posted "recent" purchases I've got no one to blame except my own little voices.  No Brooklyn "accent", pure Bronx with a bit of a drawl thanks to my Dad who hailed from NC.  So here goes.



Seeing as how I drive a Dodge Charger Daytona and a Dodge Ram this set, at the price it was offered for was almost a no-brainer.  Did I mention the free shipping?  If I didn't buy it then I never would.  Below is a comparison of the K-Line and Lionel ore cars.  Seems like Lionel hasn't change it's tooling since the current crop is still smaller than the K-Line cars  Looking at the load in the Lionel cars when I bought them I figured a quick spray with Rustoleum Stone finish Pebble color would liven them up.  But now after seeing the K-line load, the ore in the Lionel cars will never pass for ballast.  I thinkg some real stone needs to bee added.

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Coach - before adding some real stone, try removing the loads from the cars and placing on a few paper towels and then brushing on some india ink type weathering liquid and letting it dry and settle into the cracks and crevices. It might do the trick.

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Coach - before adding some real stone, try removing the loads from the cars and placing on a few paper towels and then brushing on some india ink type weathering liquid and letting it dry and settle into the cracks and crevices. It might do the trick.

Nice set, but Coach when was the last time you saw identical ore cars in a train?   It would something to paint them all Rust-Oleam primer red, use the cheaper soldiering Iron add some dents and dings. and you might remember my suggestion some time back take the trucks and couplers , and the imitation loads out, line the cavity with clear wrap, leave a half inch off the wrap over the top, and fill it with fish tank gravel then  pour diluted white glue in on top. that may take two or three applications. but when it dry's you have a load that can be taken out or put back in as you wish. with that extra 040 060 0r industrial switcher facing the hoppers and a bobler caboose on the back you are all set.   

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Nice set, but Coach when was the last time you saw identical ore cars in a train?   It would something to paint them all Rust-Oleam primer red, use the cheaper soldiering Iron add some dents and dings. and you might remember my suggestion some time back take the trucks and couplers , and the imitation loads out, line the cavity with clear wrap, leave a half inch off the wrap over the top, and fill it with fish tank gravel then  pour diluted white glue in on top. that may take two or three applications. but when it dry's you have a load that can be taken out or put back in as you wish. with that extra 040 060 0r industrial switcher facing the hoppers and a bobler caboose on the back you are all set.   

you mean like this......

First 2 are menards cars, the LIRR is from MTH. I customized the loads with fine floral gravel. They are removable.

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Just purchased this pw 2356 Southern ABA F3. Was listed as runs slow and struggles. Thought I'd take a chance, after 70 yrs I'm hoping it just needed some tlc. Pulled the shells off both A-units, to my surprise they looked unmolested and clean inside. I tried it out and found the front motor was binding. I took both motors apart, the original grease was hard like plastic, after cleaning, oiling and greased everything. After a couple hrs working on it, I put it on the track and she runs like new.



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@Trussman posted:

Just purchased this pw 2356 Southern ABA F3. Was listed as runs slow and struggles. Thought I'd take a chance, after 70 yrs I'm hoping it just needed some tlc. Pulled the shells off both A-units, to my surprise they looked unmolested and clean inside. I tried it out and found the front motor was binding. I took both motors apart, the original grease was hard like plastic, after cleaning, oiling and greased everything. After a couple hrs working on it, I put it on the track and she runs like new.

Kudo's to you, but look out some museum will want you to come restore stuff for them, and while that is quite honorable, it doesn't leave much Time for Railroading
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@Trussman posted:

Just purchased this pw 2356 Southern ABA F3. Was listed as runs slow and struggles. Thought I'd take a chance, after 70 yrs I'm hoping it just needed some tlc. Pulled the shells off both A-units, to my surprise they looked unmolested and clean inside. I tried it out and found the front motor was binding. I took both motors apart, the original grease was hard like plastic, after cleaning, oiling and greased everything. After a couple hrs working on it, I put it on the track and she runs like new.



This is one of my favorite sets because my dad owned it as well.  It's at my brothers for safe keeping.  I have the PWC version.  So glad you got it going again.  It's a great piece in my opinion and yours looks very clean.

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While postwar doesn’t have the modern era technology, they are pretty easy to repair. Clean them up and lubricate and it’s as if they were just manufactured.

Yep, your right, the motors are basically easy to work on, some with their own little tricks. That's what amazes me, after 60 or more yrs w/some basic maintenance, most of the time they run like new.

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Nice set, but Coach when was the last time you saw identical ore cars in a train?   It would something to paint them all Rust-Oleam primer red, use the cheaper soldiering Iron add some dents and dings. and you might remember my suggestion some time back take the trucks and couplers , and the imitation loads out, line the cavity with clear wrap, leave a half inch off the wrap over the top, and fill it with fish tank gravel then  pour diluted white glue in on top. that may take two or three applications. but when it dry's you have a load that can be taken out or put back in as you wish. with that extra 040 060 0r industrial switcher facing the hoppers and a bobler caboose on the back you are all set.   

I've used the fish tank gravel before.  I had a Weaver Alaska Basic Industries hopper that was missing a load and used the gravel on to of a double layer of craft foam base.  The hopper with the gravel is the rear, top and right hopper in the photos below, the other is a similar Weaver Hopper with the provided coal load..  The gravel worked well for a hopper load, not so good as a tender coal load, too big, and I suspect is more the size of the ore load instead of the ballast load.  I do have a bag of Woodland Scenics "ballast" that I'll try.  I always thought it looked too fine to ballast track but maybe it will work in the MTA ballast cars from Nassau Hobby.

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I've used the fish tank gravel before.  I had a Weaver Alaska Basic Industries hopper that was missing a load and used the gravel on to of a double layer of craft foam base.  The hopper with the gravel is the rear, top and right hopper in the photos below, the other is a similar Weaver Hopper with the provided coal load..  The gravel worked well for a hopper load, not so good as a tender coal load, too big, and I suspect is more the size of the ore load instead of the ballast load.  I do have a bag of Woodland Scenics "ballast" that I'll try.  I always thought it looked too fine to ballast track but maybe it will work in the MTA ballast cars from Nassau Hobby.

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There is definitely a difference between the loads in your hoppers.  I filled my cars with the said rock to increase the difficulty for my engines on grades in first my original HO railroad, and in the Present O railroad.  You should be able to find a grade of rock that is to you liking with the different ballasts and other products on the market, but I seem to remember from watching Toyman television that, coal for tenders is larger that ballast. Particulary one of his shows from Ely.   Luck to ya

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@Trussman posted:

When someone says they wouldn't know how to work on the pw trains. I just say, if your familiar how an electric drill works, you shouldn't have a problem.

Love your answer, but have to say, in comparison, My First sister-in-law, couldn't boil water, without burning it and one of my best Friends wife us to say she use to be able to make Cheerio's but she lost the recipe

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Some of you just can't help yourself when it comes to political posts / comments.  Let me remind you that we no longer allow posts that include pictures of product with a political nature / message.  And I think you all know why.  BUT in case you don't know why and you think you have a "right" to say anything you want on this forum, take a look at our terms of service found at the top of every forum page.  We don't want this forum to turn into what too many other formats have become.  I have deleted the posts immediately above that broke our political policy.  Note that you could end up taking a LONG vacation from this forum if you decide to insist on such posts.

Thanks for your understanding, support, and cooperation regarding this matter.

Can I say Thank you

One more item checked off my short list of trains.  Got an Areotrain, PS3 version.   My first PS3 engine.

Low to no run time.  Oiled and checked.  Only found one problem.  The pin in the engines rear pickup was coming out.  I fixed that.

Then I found it was locked in nuetral.   Got it unlocked with the correct horn/bell sequence and away it went.   I don't have a MTH control system so I run it in conventional mode.  Works well and I like that PS3 provides constant speen in conventional.  2 motors, but the rear one is much smaller than the front motor.  I was concerned since there were reports Aerotrains don't pull well.  It has traction tires and does well with the three cars it came with.

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