Lionel tried the BEMC on the Lionmaster class A and one of the last Legacy 0-8-0's several years ago.
Low speed performance was poor to say the least. I think the old TMCC Lionmaster class A actually runs better than the newer Legacy BEMC version.
@rplst8 posted:Why not used a BEMC. They’re quite a bit smaller i think.
Not mentioned yet is the BEMC requires the additional RCDR to receive data. Not unlike the the older R4LC, DCDE combination.
Pete
Someone's blowin' a few out on eBay:
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@Norm Charbonneau posted:Someone's blowin' a few out on eBay:
$700 shipped free, pretty good price. 
One wonders about what the situation is...
@gunrunnerjohn posted:$700 shipped free, pretty good price.
They're certainly not hobby related. They have everything from clothing, to sump pumps listed.
Not to mention, the photos show the tender connected backwards.
It looks like a vendor that deals with stock from stores that are closed. Maybe a recently defunct hobby shop?
While we're focused on the L1 and the other thread with the I1. Let's not forget that nearly every medium to small sized Lionel steam since 2011 has, or is getting this gearbox.
I think there's a reasonable chance it's in Strausburg 90 as well. You can see the " hitch in its giddyup " in some of the youtube videos when it's going in reverse.
Maybe Lionel should start including a shim assortment in the box, just in case.
@Norm Charbonneau posted:Someone's blowin' a few out on eBay:
@gunrunnerjohn posted:$700 shipped free, pretty good price.
I mean, it's not a bad price. But based on my preorder price, I wouldn't call it a blowout by any means.
I didn't order one of these, so I don't know what they went for.
@gunrunnerjohn posted:I ran across this with the Atlantic basket case I was working on that you had a big part in making whole. I found a motor and didn't realize that it was a two-thread worm instead of the stock single-thread. It took a bit to figure out that the 2-chuffs instead of 4-chuffs was because of the wrong worm. The amazing part is the two-thread worm worked perfectly with the existing worm gear, no binding and smooth running.
The dual helical is often the only change Samhongsa made between their 42:1 gear box and their 21:1 box they did not bother to change the wheel on some locos though ideally the dual helical worm needs a bit more skew to the teeth on the worm wheel. j
@Norton posted:Lionel did change the chassis on the K-Line B&A Berkshire to accept a larger motor in the firebox. The change to the gearbox was hardly different than what they did with this L1. They were also able to fit an RCMC in the engine and use the existing shell with virtually no modification.
Pete
Hi Pete. I have the Legacy Boston & Maine Berk, is that the same story for mine too? Unable to see my locomotive at present to check...
@c.sam posted:Hi Pete. I have the Legacy Boston & Maine Berk, is that the same story for mine too? Unable to see my locomotive at present to check...
Sam, the B&M and B&A Berks use the same frame.
Pete
Thanks Pete. What kind of motor do we have then?
@Norton posted:Sam, the B&M and B&A Berks use the same frame.
Pete
@c.sam posted:Thanks Pete. What kind of motor do we have then?
I have both the K-Line and Lionel versions of the T1b (B&M) Berkshire. The K-Line 4198 has the forward facing RS385 motor and simple gearbox. The Lionel 4199 has a Canon motor in the firebox, universal linkage from motor to gearbox, and a compound gearbox.
@c.sam posted:Thanks Pete. What kind of motor do we have then?
Sam, as WBC points out the Lionel Legacy engines came with a Canon. When I built mine I used a 56mm Pittman. Same physical size they are interchangable.
Pete
Mine arrived today in my Cumberland Valley set. The right front pilot step was broken off...fixed it with Gorilla glue. Seems alright. Opened it up, no loose screws. Opened up the gearbox and loaded it up with 2.5ml of Super-Lube. Runs fine in foreward and reverse. It was jumpy at slow speeds at first, but it smoothed out.
@Stinky1 posted:Runs fine in foreward and reverse. It was jumpy at slow speeds at first, but it smoothed out.
Apply a little load while you attempt to run in reverse, that's when the problem is most likely to occur.
@gunrunnerjohn posted:Apply a little load while you attempt to run in reverse, that's when the problem is most likely to occur.
I did it with 14 cars. Seems fine...uh oh better not jinx myself! Haha
@gunrunnerjohn posted:Apply a little load while you attempt to run in reverse, that's when the problem is most likely to occur.
Were able to get Tom’s fixed John? ….gotta give a plug to Norm too. My oldest boy is into 3D printing, so gave Norm’s STL files to him and voila!!….I breezed through 3 more locomotives….bravo Norm!…
Pat
@harmonyards posted:Were able to get Tom’s fixed John? ….gotta give a plug to Norm too. My oldest boy is into 3D printing, so gave Norm’s STL files to him and voila!!….I breezed through 3 more locomotives….bravo Norm!…
Pat
He hasn't brought it over yet, but I'm sure I can fabricate a shim from Styrene sheet pretty easily when I see it.
I can bring it Saturday. I was going to pick up my I1 that I ordered, but thinking of skipping the headache of another disappointment from lionel.
Curious what they say is the issue, and what the work order says the remedy was, ….aren’t they now 0 for 2 that we know of?
Pat
