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Originally posted by Mark440:
Facebook - for my taste - just simply has too many security issues. I'm sure I'll get pounced on, but I'll take privacy over broadcast.
Mark, I'm with you. I've already had my identity stolen a year ago. Who knows where my security breach was accessed. I have more to do with my time than spend weeks and $ restoring my credit just to have a presence on Facebook or any other similar site.
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Originally posted by Mike McNally:
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Originally posted by Mark440:
Facebook - for my taste - just simply has too many security issues. I'm sure I'll get pounced on, but I'll take privacy over broadcast.
Mark, I'm with you. I've already had my identity stolen a year ago. Who knows where my security breach was accessed. I have more to do with my time than spend weeks and $ restoring my credit just to have a presence on Facebook or any other similar site.


Easy don't post anything you don't want out there. Facebook is great as most of the preservation groups are on facebook. I'm up to date on 1225 rebuild, all the goings on at the Valley RR when they were overhauling 3025, etc, etc.
I poo-pooed facebook until I finally got on it to shut up family members and now I love it. I am more connected to extended family members than I ever was in "real life" and have reconnected to dozens and dozens of old friends and high school and college friends that I never would have known anything else about them other wise.

For all the paranoids out there the only thing others will pick up about you is what you post on your page. Even if some head banger hacks you they still are not going to find out any more than what you put on it.

I wish that it would have been around 25 years ago.
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Originally posted by jms2222:

For all the paranoids out there the only thing others will pick up about you is what you post on your page. Even if some head banger hacks you they still are not going to find out any more than what you put on it.


I am well aware of those head bangers - and intensely so. They're not trying to find out what you had for dinner last nite. It's all about bits and pieces and the assimilation of all that idata - and a large part of that data comes from social media.

I don't keep my window blinds pulled all the way down 24 x 7 - but I do have blinds. That's not paranoia. Just being prudent. But - to each their own.
you can find me at David Guth Jr. i torture every one with a daily song post, anything from the everly brothers to megadeth. if you can put up with me you can friend me! i'm also a hopeless ZUMA addict.i had my accout for something like 2 years before i became active we live 500 miles away from home so that's how i keep in touch. use it to gripe and moan lol my wife uses it for educational postings and gaming appearently i have a farm i've never seen thanks to her.
Dave
I am (under my real name Bill Morlitz) but really for my former students' sake. I was my school's photographer for most of my 36 years there as well as filling in for the Philadelphia School District's regular photographer when Vince was unavailable back in the '70s, '80s and early '90s. So I put up over 100 photos from back then so my former students, now in their 40s (and approaching the age when they receive AARP literature Smile ) can look back & enjoy. Needless to say, their children look at their parents' pictures and are stunned into silence, hysterical laughter and then someplace in between.

Bill
Facebook is a pain in the...! For some reason I had to register but I don't want to use it at all. Then I get messages from FB that I have "new" wanabe friends, etc. all whom I don't need to communicate with over FB.....that's why I have email for ..... sake. FB is just another way for someone to get your personal information.

TEX
Steve
Registered as Dottie Perry. Great way for me to stay in touch with the grandchildren, nieces and nephews, sisters, and any friends and relatives that can't find the time to pick up the phone. We're a small family, but we're all over the U.S.: Alaska, Washington state, Wyoming (my sister lives near the UP yard and is a Trainiac also), Colorado, Louisiana, Massachusetts, New Hampshire and Maine. Security isn't a problem, I just don't post anything too personal.
I'm there, to be able to input to MTH. Minimal data.
Also several family members keep dragging me there.
I always answer back "you have my phone #, my email address and my website. I don't need to add it all there as well."
Facebook security is absolute trash. Just as Secure as the weakest link in your friends list. PASS.
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Originally posted by jms2222:
I poo-pooed facebook until I finally got on it to shut up family members and now I love it. I am more connected to extended family members than I ever was in "real life" and have reconnected to dozens and dozens of old friends and high school and college friends that I never would have known anything else about them other wise.

For all the paranoids out there the only thing others will pick up about you is what you post on your page. Even if some head banger hacks you they still are not going to find out any more than what you put on it.

I wish that it would have been around 25 years ago.


I could not agree with jms more....

Yep, I'm on Facebook....

I'm on Facebook but only for my local and school friends. Great way to stay in touch and up to date.

 

A lot of people complain about the privacy issues but it's just a matter of knowing how to work the privacy settings and exercising the general practice of not putting sensitive info on the internet (duh?). As for not wanting to get updates or friend requests from the more obnoxious people, they don't have the blocking feature for nothing.

 

And if you're really tech savvy, download the F.B. Purity browser extension which allows you to selectively display or eliminate any aspect of the website. It works so effectively that Facebook has been trying to shut them down for years.

I'm on it, but very rarely post anything to my wall...can't even remember the last time.  I do check on others from time to time (including the MTH and Lionel pages), but certainly not on anything approaching a regular basis.

 

I'm not intimidated by technology or the various other forms of social media, but I'm certainly not enamored with it and I prefer to live in the real world as often as possible and for as long as possible.  I see and personally know so many people who are absolutely hooked on this stuff to the point where they devote precious little of their time and attention to anything else.  With the younger generations it is something of an unfortunate epidemic.

 

I see that Facebook is now considering exposing everyone to 15-second ads when they log on.  Wonderful!  

I am on Facebook using my name as the contact. I can communicate easier with my kids and grand kids. Also I have found a lot of old friends on Facebook. I use this forum to contact my train buddies and Facebook for my family and friends. Also, I have had a few good buys sent to be and saved me some $$$ on my household items.

 

 

I've been on Facebook for nearly five years.  An exceptional way to keep in touch with others (including family) and an incredible information tool.  I can get updates on most train-related items that I care about in a matter of minutes.

 

Privacy?  As someone wrote...it's a matter of settings and diligence.  You probably should have more privacy concerns when you "Google" something than when you use FB.

Originally Posted by PC9850:
 

Ads? What ads? I haven't seen a single ad in 2 years. Do they even still exist?

 

https://adblockplus.org

 

I have all the confidence in the world that the gurus at Facebook will come up with a way to get around ad-blocking software.  Just give them time if they do go ahead with this project, which they probably need as a revenue generator.  After all, the free ride that a gazillion people have been getting on Facebook for years now has to come to an end sometime. 

Was a few years ago, didn't use it. Cancelled the account. Signed on again after searching for an old friend, turns out someone was using their photos and info from their previously hacked FB account to start a false account. I found them and told them of the hacker, but I cancelled again. This experience also kept me from joining this site for about a year and a half. But don't think I wasn't watching!

"Staying in touch"- I still "Reach out and touch someone?" IE, I find the phone much more personal. It communicates "instantly",much faster than text, and less often misunderstood...If the idjit on the other end would just answer their cell. In some ways modern tech is overrated, it has been the cause of many new habits that I believe are socially undesirable. Despite my being witness to a bad experience, I did use FB for a bit, made a couple contacts etc. I just didn't see the fascination. I found it unintuitive, hated looks of the page layouts, spam that rolled in..etc etc.). It was too much "work" overall. Not fun.

I do not and will not, for privacy reasons. Facebook's privacy settings are designed to provide the maximum of information to advertisers or anybody who will pay for your information. Facebook is basically a means to extract personal information and sell it for a profit. I considered using it as a tool to promote a seminar that I lead at the local community college, but decided that the downside outweighs the upside. 

I am Facebook to keep in touch with family and to promote the hobby through my postings and managing the TTOS-Southern Pacific Division Facebook page. I have gotten a couple of new members to join our club through Facebook so I consider that a success. I feel the more we can do to connect to people and the hobby makes the extra work for me worth it.

I use Facebook, but only as a means of keeping up with information released by companies and organizations that interest me -- like Lionel and MTH. I don't use it for social connections; I really prefer face-to-face or more direct communication with friends and family instead of using an advertising platform.

 

I don't use my real name on Facebook, either, and didn't register that way, despite their requirements. But I come from an older generation of Internet users, from is early days when it was understood that while the Internet was (then) a small and safe place, putting out too much personal information in public spaces was considered fundamentally unwise. I've dealt with identity theft before, and giving your information freely to an advertiser is not likely the safest thing to do.

 

My wife uses Facebook more, but still from behind a pseudonym and carefully controlled and obfuscated account information. She was a domestic abuse victim and can give far more and better explanations than I for why one should not put everything out on the public Internet.

    I guess it boils down to personal choice. There is no right or wrong and nothing to do with intelligence. If you can post here you can figure out Facebook. For some it is a Godsend and others like me have no need for it. Things and people change. A few years ago I was a prototype Ho scale modeler. Was one for nearly 40 years. Now I am a toy train O scale 3-rail operator and having a blast.

     Who knows maybe in the future I may change and love Facebook. Others who love Facebook now may turn against it as some have done. So to correct my earlier post I now say "Never have and probably never will!!!"  

     

Nope.

 

Looks like I'm part of the minority in that I don't do either facebook or twitter.

 

I figure that I already spend waaaaay to much on my time on the internet, without having even more distractions!

 

My wife does spend some of her time on facebook to keep up with friends and family.  If something exciting happens, we use 'old school' communication - she tells me.

 

Jim

Originally Posted by JDA:

I would still like to know the purpose of this question.  What is the originator going to do with the information?

Alot of folks keep their pages in FB or PB open to the public, so there's no keeping away from anyone that way...my PB{photo bucket} account is an open book as well as my FB page to my friends...it's not all big brother stuff honestly, and some folks might want to share pics and info. 

I am on Facebook. Easy to keep up with friends and family strung out over the globe. Also belong to several model railroad related groups on Facebook. While this is still the premier place for information about our hobby I must say most of the FB O-Gauge discussions are refreshing as the brand loyalty wars hardly ever come up.

Some would say that I am out of date with the "social media" scene (Forum not included). Before I retired, it was mandatory to be on Facebook. I got so much stuff I did not want that it really turned me off. Rich Melvin has covered the cons very well. So the answer is absolutely no.

I dug-up this old thread because I've been "exploring" Facebook rather actively lately just to see what it really has to offer.  Turns out it is kind of a neat way to connect with people you like or care about.

 

On my "wall" you'll not find any political stuff or commentary on world affairs or events, but if you like trains and dogs, in particular, you might find some entertainment and information.

 

I, like most here, use my real name, just as I do on this and most every other site.

 

I've been a registered member of Facebook for some years now, but only recently started actively participating.  I could use a few thousand more "Friends," so consider "Friending" me if you are a forum member and haven't yet done so.  

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Originally Posted by Tom H:

I'm not on facebook, my privacy (and security) means too much to me.

And that's perfectly fine, of course.  But the fact is that if you're engaged on the Internet in any way, shape, or form, you've already relinquished much of your privacy.  It's sure not something most of us like, but it appears to be a simple fact these days.

I have a Facebook account but I only got it for the OGR contest.  I got in enough trouble just friending my wife to test it out. Otherwise you'll never find me there except for the contest.  Not a fan of crap I have heard about lies on there. Besides if you're on there you're not here with friends & members on the best forum on the best hobby and OGR Staff. I refer to Facebook as "The Dark Side".

I have several friends that participate in Facebook and understand their desire, but have no interest in it myself. I simply don't wish to maintain it or spend the time responding to it. I tend to seek simplicity and essentially low tech solutions to life. I will not text message nor accept them. To insure this, I own a phone not dissimilar to this...

I joined a few years ago because it was the cool thing to do. I shut it off 5 days later when Face book sent me a message telling me to invite all my friends. They had sent me my contact list from my computer! That was it for me. Once you go on Face book there is no telling who (other than NSA) is looking at everything and every site you go to!.

 

I'm on FB and manage to check once every week or two. It can be addicting and soak up a lot of time. I do like to see what's happening with friends and family, although some people post too much information. Mainly though, I like to use it to keep in touch with my teenage daughters and understand some of the technology they are getting into. 

Originally Posted by Ingeniero No1:

Nope, I prefer to spend 'that time' on something else.

 

I have witnessed many people waste a lot of time on things like,

". . .  Guess what? Peter, Ann's neighbor's cousin's little boy just graduated from Kindergarten!"

 

No thanks!

 

Alex

66 days til York

my badges just arrived

 

Yes, Facebook has much meaningless drivel

You all know you can maintain a VERY private FB account so outsiders can't look at it other than your cover or profile picture, right?

 

I have an FB account.  Have had one since there's been a FB.    I use it strictly for family and a few very close friends.  other than that, no one at large can look at it without my permission.

 

That being said, as Allan said, one you participate in any online realm, people CAN find you..

 

You can take steps to mitigate that, but it's not hard to track.

 

For example, the email I use for OGR, is ONLY used to OGR.

 

The email I use for FB is only used for that.  The email I use for Amazon is only used for that...same with Ebay, Pay Pal.....etc.. passwords for each online service are vastly different.

 

None of my personal or business emails are commingled, and so forth. You get the idea.

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Originally Posted by bigdodgetrain:
Originally Posted by Allan Miller:
  But the fact is that if you're engaged on the Internet in any way, shape, or form, you've already relinquished much of your privacy.  It's sure not something most of us like, but it appears to be a simple fact these days.

even if everything is fake?

"Everything" being what?  Fake screen name?  Not a problem for any bright 16-year-old who fancies himself or herself to be a hacker-in-training.  If you are on the Internet, you are not able to hide from anybody who is truly determined (and technically able) to find out all about you.

I registered, to contact a racing buddy I hadn't talked to in 9 years, and to enter the OGR contest. After only 3 days I had so much junk, friend requests etc, that I hit the NUKE button. Tooooo much junk. I realize I could have made this and that private. But the short was I don't have the time or the interest to go thru all that B.S. So I'll leave Social Media to the yung uns. I'll have nothing more to do with F.B. M.S. or any other such junk. I do not like the idea of anyone being able to see who I know, what I do. I realize that even being on the internet may put me in the same position. But I don't know that. Ignorance is bliss. For all I know, or any of you for that mater, we may be under FBI or CIA, or who ever surveylance, (crap cant spell) NOW.............................................

Not me.

Facebook borders on a cult in my opinion. People who live on it cannot grasp a large, happy world of people who have no need for it.

What baffles me is all the people who have pages set up for events and things they're looking to sell, but you gotta friend them just to see it. And you can't see it at all if you're not on FB. I tell them all they've lost my money or attendance right there if that's the only way to reach them.

A completely closed channel is downright silly. Like this forum; you don't have to a member to look at stuff. Otherwise, keep thing you want to be public off a closed loop!

Nope, I have no need for that, that's what I have email for.

Originally Posted by Zett:

I am on there, and set up a page for my layout. Its a lot easier to update that than anything else. Link is below.

Interesting topic and responses.  At some point I  searched Facebook for some O Gauge pages and hobby stores and started following Zett's page and another one that's managed by an OGR Forum member.  It was a long time before I connected some posts Zett made on here with his Facebook page (must have been his awesome bar project).  

 

As a practice I only 'friend' people on Facebook who I know in real life.  Its an easy way to keep in touch with family, friends and associates from work and hobbies such as this.  As Ferris Bueller said "Life moves pretty fast..."  Its a great way to keep up and know whats going on in your little world.  You don't have to share anything you don't want to and I have my page locked down so you can't view most of my information unless you're my 'friend'.  Even when you share a picture or post information you can choose the audience who can view it.  The other nice part is you can follow or like businesses or activities such as train stuff and keep up on news, product announcements and the latest trends.  For example I follow several real train museums near me and keep up on their events via Facebook.  

Originally Posted by Bob Rumer:

I am on Facebook.

Allen Miller: I was going to send you friend request but after finding hundreds of "Allen Miller" I could not find you.

Well, in part because it's Allan Miller (two "A"s and two "L"s).  Shouldn't be hard to find me with the correct spelling because my profile photo is the same as the one I use here.

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I'm with you Happy Pappy! Once, long ago, in 1990, I thought that being connected by beeper was enough, so, happily I got connected, at the time, I was working and I wanted to be beeped when my wife was in labor with our first and only daughter. fast forward to now 2014, the beeper has long since disappeared only to be eventually replaced by a Blackberry phone. Sometimes I find it maddening, especially when I am interrupted in the midst of an important meeting by an advert for Viagra!!!!LOL! Mike Maurice

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