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Howdy Crew!
It's been a long time since I've been an active poster here at good ol' OGR. Along the way I had forgotten what a great group of fellow enthusiasts that always seems to encourage one another and interact. My loss!
Anyway, this will be a build thread for my layout that's based in the Ozarks. Here's the particulars:

* It is wholly contained within a purpose-built 16' x 20' (15' x 19' interior) HVAC equipped out building.

* It utilizes three of the four walls therein along with a small peninsula.

* Approximately 150' total main line length.

* Partial dual-level construction.

The layout will host TWO different era's and themes:

* Early-mid 1960s diesel era via my Kansas City & Gulf free/proto-lanced theme.

* Late-1880s via my Ozark & Southern free/proto-lanced theme.

Layout Features Overview:

* Contains lower and upper level 7-track stub end stage areas.

* Has reverse loops on both levels for turning equipment.

* There are lower and upper towns on the dual level portion. There will be two other towns with modest switching opportunities along the way (along with two industry spurs along the main).

* The "mountain grade" will actually be a "Nolix". That is, the bulk of the climb will be out in the open to be seen and appreciated (not partially hidden in a spiral helix) and the grade itself will be a primary feature of the operational scheme. The ruling grade will begin immediately upon leaving the lower town.

This will eventually be a LONG thread. All sorts of topics will be shared, discussed and/or covered. As well, there will be some "how I done it" stuff. Comments and questions are encouraged and hoped for.
SO... come along and let's head for the Ozarks!

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To kick this off, I'm going to repost a link (shared in a previous thread on another OGR forum) that takes you to the textual history of the Kansas City & Gulf. IF you like to read short narratives, hopefully you'll enjoy. However, IF you like "wham, bam, thank you ma'am" type of in-your-face graphic-oriented web pages, this link won't be for you.

ANYWAY pour you up a cup of coffee/whatever, and here 'tis for those that may be interested:

All fer now!


Been busy with other projects. BUT thought I'd stop by and pitch up a track plan to acquaint you with what I've got going on with my Ozark layout. Hopefully, you'll be able to see these photos (via clicking/enlarging) well enough (forum shrinks pictures) to understand the plan.

The lower level:


The upper level:


The upper right is the same on both plans, so that's where you connect the two plans.

All fer now!



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SantaFeJim posted:


There is not enough contrast to see your track plan.

Took the plans into Microsoft Office Picture Manager, and hit auto-correct.  Here are the plans. 

This is going to be a fun layout to operate, and given past photos of Andre's work, I'm sure it will be outstanding modeling!



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Hi All!

Been without internet service for a few days. Just got it back a bit ago. Some replies:

Santa Fe Jim:

I didn't fully realize that the forum software would not allow expanding the photo to the original resolution. When expanded, the details are more apparent. Of course, that doesn't help here. Thanks Jerry for trying to help via contrast/etc.

Tinplate Art:

Thanks for the kind words.  Seems no matter how hard I plan, I still have "Surprise!" moments that CAN be accompanied with "oh sh*t!" moments.


Yes, I have a couple/three V scale versions (all incomplete) that run through Digital Elevation Models of the terrain in my proposed region of the Ozarks. I learned from this excercise that prototype could have done it, too!  However, with a huge caveat: The resulting line would have been horrendously expensive to build/operate. By the way, I never completed any of the V scale versions, so they were never released via my "V Scale Creations" endeavor. However, from closely reading your question, I am assuming you're asking if I made a virtual model railroad using my KC&G theme as can be done in such a feature as offered by Trainz? In that case, no. My V scale versions were full length (a scale 100 or so miles!), through accurately rendered digital terrain. Keep in mind that I also use my web space at my VSC domain to host other interests of mine. (Model railroading, trail riding of motorcycles/etc.)


You've got it!



IF you would like to read some more silliness, I have converted two more essays to html and uploaded them.

* The history of the KC&G's diesel roster:

* A fictional regional (regional to the KC&G's Ozark Sub) rail enthusiasts experience as he chases a KC&G freight in the Autumn of '64:

Later on we'll get into construction photos etc!


Hi Art!

So you're into V scale, also? I take it your chosen medium is Trainz? 

That so, my routes are all for Microsoft's "Train Simulator" (aka MSTS) with all the upgrades installed. My routes are also compatible with "Open Rails Train Simulator" which is an open-source simulator system that can use legacy MSTS content. But, unfortunately, none of my routes would be compatible with Trainz.

Otherwise, I would send you links to some of my V scale stuff for you to explore and (hopefully) enjoy on your computer.


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Hi Art!

I tried the "Raildriver" control stand ( ) that simulates a "desktop" control configuration. I really didn't catch on to it. My interest in diesels is well before the "desktop" era. Besides, I soon migrated almost exclusively to steam in V scale... so the "Raildriver" was placed on a shelf in the closet where it remains to this day.

Yes, I do like the challenge of handling trains over grades that reflect it's prototype. (If the route is based on a prototype and not "free lanced", and I have some of those too.)

The physics model in MSTS and Open Rails can be modified ("tweaked") to do a fair job of replicating the nuances of handling trains over mountainous terrain. I have a route that simulates grades of over 5% (Stampede Pass Switchbacks) and handling trains over that spaghetti bowl of track is quite a challenge!

Here's a view from within the simulator of a light engine at the town location of "Stampede". This is from a "raw", in-process route, so no full-blown scenery at this point, only track, bridges, and cribbing. However, this gives you and idea of the ruggedness of the terrain the Stampede Switchbacks traversed. Grades here go up to 5.6%!


My favorite use of V scale is to use it as a vehicle to indulge in my link n' pin era fascination. I have routes based on the Colorado Midland of the 1890s, Stampede Pass: The Switchbacks late 1880s, Denver South Park & Pacific in the mid-1880s, Silverton RR (late 19th century), and a whopper of a route in-process I call the "New England Lines", circa late 1860s. (And that's only some of them.)

I like both: V scale and tactile model railroading. (HO in my case.)

However, of late I seem to be spending more time with my HO projects... and for SURE spending a TON more loot. (V scale is very cost effective... VERY.)

All fer now!



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I plan to follow along with this thread. Sounds like it will be interesting! I was born in Kansas City (still here) so I'm really enjoying reading the history of the KC&G and KCS railroads on your website. I don't know a lot about the real railroads or their history, but since retiring at the end of 2011 I've developed an interest in learning more about the trackage around the KC area. 

My interest has been in learning about the tracks that remain here.  Such as, who started out with what track, who has it now, what happened causing track to no longer be used, mergers through the years, etc.  With all the railroad history here, there's plenty to learn.

Your website has also given me the thought of trying to trace some of these routes on a map (Google Earth or other). The Train Simulator program and routes/maps/terrain you are creating also sounds interesting. I didn't know train simulator programs could do all that? More to learn about while following along here. 

Morning all!

Our internet is has been down, then on/off/on/off... repeat until frustrated. Anyway, a quick pic or two for now, back later after church for some replies.

No visiting operators this week, been running some trains by my lonesome (I enjoy that, too). Here's a pic of the South Stage when I left it for the evening. Next out will be the short coal extra you see in the foreground:


Also, picked up a neat little wreck train crane n' tender car. I will eventually strip the numbers and likely repaint the flat/etc. Remind me to tell you why I decided to purchase one.


The thingie-ma-bobs in front are: Left four items - Out riggers for the crane car. Right item - crank handle for the boom and hook.

All fer now... gotta' load up the music gear and head off to church!



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Yes, I enjoy the challenges that train simulation software can offer. It's not perfect by a far stretch, but it's a fun aspect to the hobby of trains that model railroading doesn't adequately convey. (i.e. Train handling.)


I was born and raised in KC until the tender age of 16 when my parents relocated to the land of their nativity: Arkansas. Took me all of two weeks to fall "life long" in love with country living! Love mountains from all over, Rockies, Alleghenies, New England... mountains! Here in my region, it's the mountains that I live nearby: The Ozarks as well as the Ouachita Range. (We're on the northern most edge of the Ouachita Mountains.)

SO: I have a wonderful collection of memories (lots of train memories) from my childhood/youthful years in KC, and wonderful memories (including train memories) and ongoing experiences among the mountains of AR/OK.

As for KC:

KC has a very rich railroading history. At one time there were SO many lines there. Off the cuff, from my childhood/youth years in KC I can remember: ATSF; SLSF; UP; CRIP; CGW; GM&O; KCT; Wabash; CB&Q; KCS; MILW; Mop; and MKT.

Check out these 1855 era renditions of KC!



I think the rails first arrived at KC in the 1860s. Here's KC in 1867:


KC trains 'n me:

In fact, once I get a good handle on my Ozark layout, I intend to have a small L-shaped shelf layout here in my computer room that will have a KC "urban industrial" theme to it. This will be a place that I can model scenes that reflect my memories and experiences in/around KC. I already have a "start here" track plan! Here's a rough copy:


Model railroading truly can be a "way of life" for those of us that hopelessly hooked on trains!



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Yes it certainly does, and your interest and knowledge too! Thanks for that added KC info and the pictures too. I knew there were once a lot of railroads coming to KC and I think at least 5 of the Class 1's still serve KC in some capacity today. Lots of history though.

I was born here in 1952 and still here. It's really changed a lot here in that time. We've kind of gone from more of a small town to a big city in the time since I was a kid. Not sure how much the population has increased here, but it sure seems like a LOT more people here now. 

I have been to Fort Smith Arkansas and a few other places, Beaver Lake (Rogers area) and many places just south of the Missouri border through there. Not sure what mountains are on the way to Fort Smith? It's quite an impressive and scenic drive from like Rogers or so on down to Ft. Smith though. Very nice part of the country!  

A few years ago they converted 71 highway to an Interstate, now I-49. Haven't been there since the change but it didn't change the neat drive through there very much. That was already 4 lane divided highway through the mountainous areas. 

Looking forward to following along here.

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November 16, 1964...

KC&G GP7 #412 idles beside the engine house while the crew's shootin' the bull with the engine house Foreman: Ol' Jess. Braggin' rights are at stake, for they're right in the midst of seeing who bagged the most squirrels on yesterday's opening day of squirrel season. Meanwhile, a KC&G ALCo (RS-3 #269) slumbers silently in the engine house for Ol' Jess to renew going over it for the mandated service inspection.

This is the calm before the storm, for it won't be long and the northbound coal train will hit town, which is precisely what #412's crew is waiting on. When it does, they'll tack on to the caboose, and once the highball comes from the head end, with a cacophonous uproar the entire entourage will gather up what run they can muster, and another battle up The Mountain will begin.

Life moves at a different pace on the KC&G up in the mountains of the Arkansas Ozarks.


All fer now.


P.S. Thought I'd better see what the new software was like to work with. Had to go through pages of forum postings to find this old thread. Sure lots of "backdrops" being offered.


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"Ozark Autumn, 1964...

What's left of the former flagship train #11, the "Gulf Coast Flyer", actually had a station stop at Mountain Springs, Ark today. After little more than a short pause in #11's southward trek, hogger "Hotshot" Chadwick whistled off... and left town with a vengeance. For now, there's still a pair of passenger trains running on the KC&G, but there's more mail than riders. However, it's the mail that's keeping the trains moving... for now."


(You'll have to use your imagination to "see" the beautiful scenery I haven't built yet!!   )

All fer now!


WOW! Long time since I've updated this thread!

Lots going on. I now have over 20 DCC/Sound equipped engines in service on the Ozark Subdivision of the KC&G and a pipeline of engines waiting their turn to get DCC/Sound installed.

The last couple of months I've been working on getting my backlog of undec units modified (as I desire) and detailed. I've learned to ship them off to my Sound Guy with all details removed, and preferably un-painted. Less for the Sound Guy to have to deal with and the less prone to have details detach themselves from the model/etc.

Anyway, I hope to get you all caught up to speed on my doin's since my last update back in March of '20. For starters, here's a pic of my F unit fleet I've modified and detailed. These are waiting their turn to make the trek to the Sound Guy.


All fer now! More later!



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The KC&G's CMO is really PO'd. Seems of late there's been a few switching mishaps. None serious... but still indicative of "less than safe" operation by some within Train Service.

Case in point is GP7 #418. Seems the hogger ended up slightly cornering a car in the small yard at the helper town of Ozarka, resulting in a bit of bruising and scraping. Nothing too serious, but enough of an incident for concern, nonetheless. Most serious casualty was a battery box cover that was ripped off and crunched past repair. Also taking some damage was the front corner step guard and a deep scrape on the side of the cab. Most concerning damage was the handrail that tried to turn into a pretzel. That resulted in a safety appliance violation that had to be fixed before the unit could be returned to service.

Fortunately the chaps at the small Ozarka engine house were able to apply some heat with the acetylene torch and with the help of a sledge and a track bar, they were able to straighten the handrail enough to comply with the safety appliance codes and thus get the unit back into service. However, ol' #418 will carry it's battle scars for how long now? Below are some pics illustrating the results of the incident.

The side damage...


A closer look at the bungled handrail...


However, a struggling line has to do what they've gotta' do... so once patched up good 'enuf... back into service it went. Here's #418 once again ready to do what it's been doing for the Casey for right at 14 years...


Modeling info:

The above is one of the pair of P2K GP7's I've received back from the Sound Guy. I got the idea of the side damage from pictures I have, or results I've seen/etc. I enjoy reflecting such wear and tear on engines and such. It's definitely a part of the railroading scene, especially given my era and theme choices. My current goal is to get enough engines on hand with DCC/Sound installed to cover my operating sessions. Once I have enough on hand so that a pair of them won't inconvenience me, then I will take two undec's off the layout and start the painting and final details process. Those two finished and back in service, I'll pull two more and rinse and repeat.

Oh, and I need to tell you about the malady that sister unit #427 was involved in, too. I tell 'ya, railroading the Ozark Mountains ain't fer sissies!



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Frankly, I can't remember if there were batteries on that side, too, or if it was an air valving. The picture I have of a Frisco unit missing the very same door appears dark inside and I can't see what's in there. Further, it's been so long since I've run/been around GP7's that I can't remember either. I know on GP38's, 40's, etc, there were air valves were under the floor on engineer's side, and I think over under the Fireman's side, too. (I've had to change them out doing an FRA required scheduled replacement)

Anyway... I've thought about using a modified triple valve casting with some brass wire for piping inside that empty styrene box that I created, but I need to see if that's what's really inside on the prototype first. Once painted, the styrene box I built inside the open door will be painted black so you won't be able to see much in there anyway.

Joe! (Toth, right?)

How 'ya doing?

I gave up on S scale several years ago. I simply missed the huge variety available in HO. S is a great size crippled by a tiny (compared to HO) offering of product. From the looks of it (the demise of SHS, and now MTH/etc), I know I made the right decision in view of where I wanted to go with my model railroading.

V scale as a hobby outlet for me is safe and sound. I still indulge every now and then, but I've come to prefer to invest my time into my model railroading instead.

Good to see yer still kickin'! I love being retired. Had I known it would be this much fun, I would have retired when I was in my 20s. 

All fer now.

Hm... perhaps I need to post the story of #427 later today?

All fer now.



I cut the first stick of lumber for the bench work on February 19th, 2019. By the end of July the same year, I had the railroad 100% functional. The line contains about 135' of mainline, two 7 track stage areas, 55' of mountain grade that ranges between 2.75 to 2.9%, along with track at five small  towns, with two having small yards. Since that time, I, and several of my friends, have been enjoying the fruits of my labor. (I love operating a layout in a prototypical fashion.)

In the meantime, I have been building my roster of engines and getting engines and rolling stock into service in order to more fully exploit my theme that I originally envisioned. I'm currently up to about 21 DCC/Sound equipped road units in service, but only about 10 of those are in paint. (The rest are still undecorated.)

As you can see above, I posted the basic trackplan as best I could. I reckon I need to post up some construction pics as well as current pics of the way things be on my Ozark Sub of the Kansas City & Gulf. (Unfortunately it's still pretty much a barren "Plywood Pacific"! I'm hoping to tackle backdrop boards, priming of same, and lighting/valance when the weather gets warmer.)

All fer now!


Railroadin' in the Ozarks can make for some pretty excitin' moments at times. Some of those moments can even be "stain yer Hanes" moments. Case in point:

Things were goin' pretty smooth (for railroading on the Casey's Ozark Sub) in the middle of a cold autumn night as Extra 427 South rumbled past the small dept at Piney and started dropping down the bane of the entire KC&G: Buck Mountain Grade. Buck Mountain Grade is several miles of 2.5%, with stretches at or near 2.9%. (Some swear it hits 3%, but the MOW Big Heads vehemently deny that.) All the Old Heads know this grade well and have a deep respect for Buck Mountain Grade, and the newcomers learn to respect it in a hurry. Things can go bad in a hurry on Buck Mountain, especially if it's self-inflicted and you've pi**ed away your air. You get experience in a hurry taking trains down Buck Mountain.

The lights pierced a hole in the darkness as the hogger, an old head by the name of "Tater" Smith, dropped off the face of the earth onto the side of Buck Mountain and into the blackness of a cold moonless night. Things were going pretty smooth. GP7 #427 had a great set of cab heaters and the cab was toasty warm, Tater had his air set "just so" and was only having to use throttle to ease them through short let ups in the grade as he glided his train down Buck Mountain. Warm cab. Good handling train. Can't get much better than this.

Rounding the curve that plunges the train into Buck Hollow... Tater's heart jumped into his throat.

"HIT THE DECK!" Tater hollered to his nodding Fireman and Head End Brakeman.

Of what Tater could see among the eerie and grotesque shadows, a large tree looked to be laying on the rails! Avoiding big holing... Tater pulled off a deep set of air and ducked below the window for cover, as did the Fireman and the Head End Brakeman. If they went off the rails, it would be better to be crouched and braced, and if they stayed on the rails, at the least, they'd need to stop and check out the damage that this one WAS going to inflict upon the consist that was under Tater's charge.

With a loud "ka-WHUMPH"... followed by a the sound of rustling... Extra 427 plowed right through the tree. The trio of mountain railroaders crouched in the cab of that Geep breathed a huge sigh of relief that the engines stayed on the rails and the air hadn't busted into Emergency. Still rolling, Tater got up, and sat back into the "Hot Seat" of the slowing train only to face darkness: The impact had taken out the head lights. Eventually Extra 427 South ground to a halt near Jack Fork crossing.

"What's wrong Tater?" crackled the radio. It was the hind end as the Brains wanted to know what had happened.

"We got through a tree. Looked to be a big 'un. Got no headlights. I'm fixin' to go out and check the motor's over."

"Gotcha. We'll start walkin' up checking the train. Tell Henpeck (Head End Brakeman) to git out an' start poundin' the chat back to us lookin' things over."

"He's already on his way", came Tater's reply. Tater continued: "I'll be tryin' to raise the 'Spatcher on the horn to let 'em know what's goin' on before I git out an' start seein' what I can do 'bout the head lights."

Henpeck had already grabbed his Star lantern, cinched up against chill of the night air, and had started back into the cold night air to check the train, eventually meet up with Fat Dog and Midge. (The Conductor and Rear Brakeman.)

Fortunately, the headlight housing was intact, not so the beams. Using the small batch of tools Tater carried in his grip, Tater was able to pull the beams out of the rear light, and get the front light up and going again. That would be a huge help, for trying to ease your way the rest of the way off the grade to Ozarka (where the units could be safely swapped around to get a functioning headlight on the point) using nothing but a Star lantern hung on the front handrail would be a mite discomfiting, to say nothing of complicating a crossing. Amazingly, the damage was limited to the headlight, and what looked to be the steam generator stack, which now had a new crease in it, courtesy of the limb that whacked the tar out of it. That must have only been a limb hanging low and the rest of what appeared to be a huge tree trunk across the rails was a result of the strange shadows from the headlight that the branch was playing upon the rails. It happens.

Henpeck returned to the cab, and Fat Dog and Midge made it back to the shack. The train was fine. It would be A-okay to continue.

Tater put the set of power in reverse, and eased out the throttle to about 3 notch. The amp gauge needle went up the dial to about the 12 o'clock position. The units were loading fine. Seeing that all things were good, Tater knocked off the train air, and using the engines to lean against the the train (holding it in place), he recharged his airline. (No way the engine brakes would have held back the tonnage.) It would have been fool hardy indeed to just kick the air off after a deep set and start merrily down the Mountain. You'd regret that decision in hurry just as soon as you started pulling off what's left of your air for the set that was surely coming.

Air up, it was slack off the throttle, into Forward, and start what hoped to be an uneventful trip the rest of the way to Clarskville.

Railroading the mountains can make for some mighty unusual experiences. Pitch in the fact that yer railroading mountains on the Casey... and that makes it even more unpredictable. However, that's the way it is on the KC&G's Ozark Sub.

The Model...

I modeled P2K GP7 #427 as a steam generator equipped Geep. It's the last unit in the KC&G's GP7 roster. The last three GP7's were ordered with steam generators to cover some of the lesser passenger trains that were still operating in the early 1950s when the Geeps were purchased. The dented steam generator stack idea was gleaned from Frisco GP7 #618, which had such a steam generator stack that obviously had received a thump somewhere along it's travel through life. Here's a composite pic showing the lasting reminder of that fateful night coming down Buck Mountain:


(Also note the handle on the sand hatch took a thump, too.)

I concocted the above scenario to explain the damaged stack on #427 which reflects what I see in my pics of Frisco #618, but also draws from several experiences I had while railroading the Ozark Mountains myself.

I hope you enjoyed reading this as much as I enjoyed creating it! (What can I say? I was in a story-telling mood!)

All fer now.



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@Rob Leese posted:

Quite a thump to knock off all your paint and forward grabirons, too !?!?


Smart azz!

You ought to really like my hand-written Post-It numbers on the cab sides! (Barely discernible in the above pic, Engineer's side.)

However, I'll bet the crews are going to miss that old scheme once the painting starts.

Grab Irons 'n Paint:

I will not be using the plastic grab irons that P2K supplies. I will be putting on DA's wire grabs. That won't happen until the unit gets pulled from service for painting. Right now I need serviceable (i.e. DCC/Sound) units. Niceties like paint and the rest of the details can wait until the tipping point is reached where I can numerically afford to start rotating two units at a time out of service for a trip through the paint shop and final details.



HO has a lot to commend it. You will gain 30% more layout compared to S scale. Leaving N, you will surrender about 30%. HO also has the ability to determine your time investment: Minimize time investment by purchasing RTR: Engines with or without DCC/Sound as well as rolling stock, even prebuilt and lightly weathered structures, etc! I just purchased an old Chevy log truck w/logs (Woodland Scenics) that is already weathered and ready for the layout! OR... maximize your time investment (if a small layout) and assemble kits and/or roll your own schemes via paint/decals. Many different ways to skin the cat in HO scale.


Welcome to the Ozarks! Glad yer hoppin' on!


Same to you, too... welcome to the land of Hillbilly's!

Fret thou not: I still smell the ozone! All of my 3 rail saw service on the Christmas village loop, and I suspect they will continue to make laps on my kitchen table as the mood hits. I'm always open to picking up more 3 rail pieces. too. My priority at this point is about what it was at my start of the "Scent Of Ozone" thread, that is, I'm not going to fully switch over to 3-rail  just yet, if ever. I hope my eyesight and dexterity will continue to hold up so I can further my KC&G Ozark Sub layout/theme. If not, then 3 rail to the rescue! In the meantime, I will continue to pick up pieces now and then as well as enjoy my 3-rail when I need to take a break from the more exacting efforts required to further my KC&G/Ozark Sub layout and theme.


Foreman J.L. "Hardnose" Hensen listens to one of his hands exclaiming how bad the track shot off toward the ditch once they started pulling spikes while another hand looks at all the work ahead of them to get this one straightened back up. However, when they're done, the last of the Slow Order that's been plaguing the KC&G of late will be annulled and the maximum allowable track speed from MP 248.4 Mountain Springs to MP 265.0 Ozarka will once again be the order of the day.

( Mom always said I had an over active imagination!  🤣 )

EDIT: Forgot to mention that Hardnose Hensen is in the brown jacket. Duh.



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Wow... I've really neglected this thread for a long time. Much has been accomplished in regards to the layout and equipment/etc. I've even uploaded a couple more essays. I'll link those right now for any of you that may have an interest in them.

First up is a essay/narrative about the advent of dieselization on the KC&G:

And here's an essay describing a ride on the KC&G's Ozark Subdivision:

And I haven't forgot the construction pics... all in good time.


Hi Mark!

Gonna get caught up on this thread? Boy... you've gotta a lot of readin' to do!

As for progress: The layout is 100% functional and has been since July of 2019. I've been having a ball operating it off/on over the past year or more with my railroad buddies. Love it.

However, the time is nearing that I need to pull the equipment off the layout for storage, and apply myself to getting the back drop boards, valance, and lighting strips installed.


Joe said:

"Andre, your account of the advent of the Diesels that did it on the KC&G is so realistic I was sure I would find the railroad listed in the Official Guide."

Like I shared above: Mom always said I had an over-active imagination!

I think there's been some minor refinement of the roster, but 99% of what you read is still the straight poop in regards to the KC&G roster.

I thoroughly enjoy the research that one can expend on their concocted theme. From the git-go, my goal for the KC&G  was for the theme to be as plausible as possible (that is, plausible to my demented mind). I've managed to do that to my satisfaction. Whether others find it plausible is up to them to decide. The most important one needed to be satisfied (me), is indeed.

I also thoroughly enjoy creative writing about railroading. I enjoy incorporating experiences I've had personally, or railroading friends experienced, or I've read and/or viewed in railroad media, and such as that. Helps to give my theme a life of its own, as well as builds "depth" to my theme. Shucks... even the characters I concoct help to bring it alive in my mind! (And I've known some characters in railroading!)

Your M&G:

There you go. Use that God-given imagination to come up with a theme that is first and foremost fun to you, and that is plausible to you. Accomplish those two goals and what others think won't be a priority. Sure, it always adds to the fun if others get on board with what you're doing... but the basic core of the theme must trip your trigger. No one else's.

Parting shots:

My region is in the midst of a winter storm that is quite different from what we're used to: Blowing snow with temps down toward zero Ferenheit with wind chills well below zero.  Seems to me for a perfect day to be piddling with my trains in some form!

All fer now!


"Covid-19 scare"... what are you talking about? Is that something you've seen on TV or heard on the radio? Here in the Ozarks we don't get out much, so we ain't heard nothing about it. What we have heard, is that there is some kind of beetle that is invading the USA. Hope they can put a stop to 'em. We've got enough varmints and critters to deal with down here as it is. But speaking of heard-tell: How 'bout them Hogs? Word is the football Razorbacks just might win the '64 Championship this year! Now wouldn't that be the berries?

Permit for a cab ride? No need. Come on down an' you can ride the Helper job with hogger "Biscuit" McHollister all day if'n you want.

Oh sure... some of the high-falootin' in the towns of Ozarka and Mountain Springs have a TV... but stuck deep in the Ozarks there ain't much to watch an' what is there to watch is awful grainy looking. It's said 'ya need to be closer to one of the larger cities so's they can pick up a better signal on the "rabbit ears". Lots of folk do have radios though. Shucks... some of the folk that come to the little country church we go to still have to draw water from their well!

Note: If I'm spinning a yarn "in character" about the Ozarks concerning the state of towns, common folk (and they were essentially all "common folk" in 1964, very few transplants from other states and for sure other countries back then), then I try to hold true to history in view of life in the Ozarks in the early-mid 1960s as I know of it through yearly sojourns to the Ozark region as well as history books. My parents were at least third generation Ozark. I am the only one in my immediate family (mom, dad, older sis) that wasn't born in (mom/dad) or near (sis) the Ozark region. My folks moved to KC in the late 1940s, I believe. I was born in KCKS in '52. Though I was born and reared in KCKS/MO until 16 years of age, after moving to Arkansas in Jan of '69, it merely confirmed I'm Ozark to the core. (To wit: While in KC, long before I was driving, I used to hunt squirrels and rabbits with my pellet rifle in a nearby wooded city park when I lived in North KC! Done right, fried squirrel/rabbit is mighty good eatin'! I'd skin 'em and prep 'em, and mom would fry them up for us for supper!)

Real world:

M&A: Love the North Arkansas Line. If there was ever a 300+ mile line that had little reason to exist, it was the North Arkansas! Yet, it survived in some form for over 50 years!

Midland Valley: I've lived in near the MV's territory for the better part of the past 42 years. (Save 2 years in western OK '84-86 and 3 1/2 years in Huntsville, AR late '86 to May 1990.) Every time I drive to Fort Smith, I cross the old roadbed of the mainline of the MV into/from the "coal belt" region I'm among.


Now that I've had it up and running for the past 1 1/2, have hosted several multi-operator operating sessions, I'm getting ready to make some changes to the layout, some of the changes will be signficant. I'm giving up on the dual era concept. Instead, I will be focusing on its primary era and I'll figure something out for my "other" era of interest.

All fer now!


Thanks for the kind words. I enjoy creative railroad-oriented writing w/history and anecdotes mixed in among it... but I'm not too sure very many others enjoy reading it! 

Model Railroad/Railroading:

I've never understood just why some of us have a life-long love for railroading (and often express it with model railroading), I reckon it's just the way some of us are hard-wired, apparently.

My longest lasting friendships have been based in my interests:

Model railroading: My longest friendship dates back to April or so, 1969. That that friend is now in his late 80s. That friendship is still going. The next-oldest I met in early 1974, and is also still going. I also have several other long term model railroad friends from the mid-late 1970s on. The one I met in 1974 was also a long-term retired railroader. He's still a part of my operating crew board, as well as a couple others model RR friends from the late 1970s. He typically comes up from Pencil Bluff, AR (his home) and spends the night with me before an operating session, and the regional friend off the call board joins us the next morning for ops.

Motorcycling: Still have one that I touch base with, a school mate I met upon my move to Arkansas in Jan of '69. He's the one that helped set the hook on my dirt motorcycle interest! Just this past autumn, the wife and I rode our vintage dirt bikes (street legal "enduro" bikes) via backroads to Mansfield, AR and met up with Glen and his wife and ate lunch with them.

Anyway, those two interests, model railroading and off-road motorcycling, have produced some of the best friends I have.

Amazing the side benefits of model railroading.


Turning Point...

So I've had the layout up and operational for 1 1/2 years now. I know that I enjoy it tremendously, and it seems my operating crews really enjoy it.

Understand that when I designed and built this layout, I did so with the idea of running a dual era on it:

* 1964 using my KC&G theme.

* 1880s using my Ozark & Southern theme. (The KC&G acquired the O&S in the 1890s during its southward trek to New Orleans.)

Well, here's what I've learned in the 1 1/2 years my layout has been up and going:

* I am thoroughly enjoying the experience of having an operating layout again after nearly two decades of absence.

* I am loving (more than ever) my KC&G theme. (It's now proven itself since its creation back in the mid-late 1990s.)

* The dual era concept is in severe trouble.

My initial "dual era" thought was to incorporate some key replaceable structures (depots, add/remove water tanks/etc) to convey the passage of time. However, a dual era would also require keeping all permanent scenic support "generic" so as to have zero anachronisms to detract from either era. This would mean nothing "out of period" on the layout scenery (such as a paved road, which wouldn't have existed in the 1880s) as well as keeping any structures on the actual backdrop generic, along with many other little detail no-no's that I began to grasp. Once my initial enthusiasm for the idea I designed on the master track plan subsided, and I started having to think-through the elements needed to support a dual era, the idea got much more complicated than I expected.

Further, it has been a lot of work and a ton of money to acquire the needed (and some I want) engines for the KC&G as well as to equip them with DCC/Sound. I shudder to think of the $$ that would be consumed starting almost from scratch to equip the 1880s era!! As it is, I'm having so much fun, as well as willingly sinking my modeling energy, time, and hobby funds into my KC&G, that I really haven't done a thing with my 1880s idea. (Aside from the meager pre-layout collection of 1880s stuff.)


I am officially retiring the "dual era" concept.

My out-building layout is going to be the KC&G's Ozark Sub set in 1964. When the time comes for scenic elements, I can now add the scenic features that will support and enhance my 1964 era, instead of being restricted to doing a lousy job of trying to portray either era. (See the above "generic" scenery restrictions.)

Because of this decision, I can now undo what I feel is the worst feature of my layout design. Originally, my layout had that feature as way of turning a steam locomotive without a turntable. That feature is: The return loops in the upper left corner of the published track plan in this thread.

I've grown to dislike the "reverse loops" area shortly after the completion of my layout. It serves zero purpose in my KC&G 1964 era, and is only a "concession" to hosting a dual era. It creates extreme headaches in regards to any type of plausible scenery that allows minimum access at that location. Further, seeing as I haven't run a single 1880s era session, or even substantially ran the equipment, then the ability to turn a steam engine using either reversing loop is moot. It's nothing but a consumer of floor space as well as complicating and restricting the scenic potential of the layout unnecessarily.

So, I'm in the process of making sure I have the needed track, switches, and what have you, in order to pull the reversing loops entirely and reconfigure that corner. I'm liking what I'm seeing on paper with the "new" trackplan for that corner, and I like what it does for the ergonomics of operating. Lastly, I like what it's going to do for the visuals of the layout in regards to my KC&G's theme.

There you have it: Only 1 1/2 years into this layout, and yet a major revision lurks ahead.

In subsequent posts, I'll try to post a pic of the trackplan to illustrate the changes I will be making, and perhaps a photo or two of what I've already done to that corner. (I've already pulled the reverse loop switch and straight-railed that section, and already pulled some of the track off the loop itself.)

I'm liking what I'm seeing and can't wait to make this change happen at some point in the coming weeks/months.

All fer now.


You have chosen interesting railroading on which to base your railroad, Andre.  We'll look forward to further stories about the KC&G.

I remember the Midland Valley, too, from visits to family in Tulsa in the 1950's.  I always thought of it as an odd combination of secondary-looking track and multiple crossarm pole line.  Maybe it would be a nice spring adventure to head up to Wichita and follow any remains of the MV right of way down to Tulsa.


Sorry to hear of your friend's passing. It can be tough.

I did Harley's from about Nov of 2007 to sometime in 2011-12. Wife would ride along with me. Favorite was the hot rod Deuce I had. Alas, she could ride but about 150-200 miles behind me on that thing, and that was with a high-dollar "Sundowner" seat installed. I used to do road trips on the Deuce and enjoyed them a bunch. Here's a pic of it out in AZ I snapped:

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However, I began to feel guilty having all the fun, so I asked if she'd like for me to trade in the Deuce and get an Ultra that had a much more comfortable passenger arrangement. She jumped at it. She made many a weekend trips behind me on the Ultra, and a big road trip to Colorado and back in the spring of 2011. She got the full spectrum on that ride! Hottest temps she rode through was over 100 degrees, coldest was the morning we left Silverton: 19 degrees! However, she was a trooper. Here's a pic of her and the Ultra after leaving Silverton (we're in Ridgway here) after it warmed up to near 50 degrees.


However, my life long love affair with the dirt bikes (and her like of it, too) won out. We began to trailer our street legal dirt bikes to Colorado and ride them instead making the trip on the Harley. SO, I sold the Ultra. She loves riding out in the mountains on her bikes. Here she is at a lunch stop this past November. That's her '73 Yamaha AT3 125 she purchased so she'd have a vintage tiddler (small bore) bike to ride with me when I ride one of my vintage tiddlers. (That's my '72 DKW GS125 on the right.)


HOWEVER, I digress. Back to the topic at hand...

Foot Sore & Weary:

Only ran about 2 miles in Arkansas, nowhere near the Ozarks. However, it was an interesting railroad in its own right. Nothing operable remains of the FS&W except a short stretch of industry track on the Fort Smith RR in Fort Smith.


Thanks for your kind words. I'm glad you find an interest in what I'm concocting. I shall endeavor to keep this thread updated more often than I did in the recent past.

The MV was a neat little line. Really did run from nowhere (Excelsior, AR) to almost somewhere. It took a huge hit with the fading of the coal industry, for I think a lot of its income came from the Coal Belt of western AR/eastern OK.

Speaking of lines that were abandoned in my region, the empty roadbed that pains me the most is the loss of the Rock Island through eastern OK/western AR. I really miss that line.

All fer now!



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@Leroof posted:

Andre, been listening to The Band while reading your stories.....perfect sound track!

looking forward to listening up.

safe travels to you and your wife, spring is coming next.

Thanks for that post. I hadn't heard of "The Band" before you mentioned it. Some research was in order.

What I found was quite enlightening.

I always thought Joan Baez's version of "The Night They Drove Ol' Dixie Down" was essentially the only version of it. Didn't have a clue where the song came from.

In my research, I learned that a member of "The Band", Ronnie Robertson, was the one that wrote "The Night They Drove Ol' Dixie Down". I also found, and listened to, a live performance of The Band singing it, as well as "The Weight", etc.

Listening to band member Levon Helm's impassioned vocal gave an entirely new "feeling" to the song. I could "feel" the hardship war imposes as Levon sang of the plight of the Cain family. There was SO much more "feeling" than Joan's soft ballad approach.



Andre, hey there EZ Rider, don't you think it's about time for another progress report on the KC&G?

Have you ever visited Cliff Powers website that covers construction and operations on his HO scale layout, the Mississippi, Alabama & Gulf, which models the summer of 1955?  It has appeared in several of the model railroad magazines, and though now dismantled, still is active on Cliff's website.

His model of New Orleans Union Passenger Terminal is simply fantastic!



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Hi Joe!

Even though I've been splitting time between my interests, the KC&G has indeed been getting attention. One major update is a proposed revision at the towns of Ozarka and Mountain Springs.

Since I've decided that my Ozark layout in the out building will be strictly 1964 KC&G and not try to accommodate an 1880s era as I envisioned, that meant I could eliminate an element in the track plan design that was purely a ploy to accommodate turning small steam locos: The return loops in the upper left corner on the track plan. (I've really disliked that corner ever since it took shape.)

Here's what I'm going to do:

Lower level at Ozarka...


Upper level at Mountain Springs...


You can see traces of the erased loop on the above photos of the trackplans. This revision will greatly improve access to that corner, as well as opens up the scenes at Ozarka and Mountain Springs. Also note because of the revisions, I'm able to include small engine service facilities at the Clarksville Yard (lower level, on left) and at the Branson Yard (upper level on left).

As for the Clarksville/Branson Yards:

Originally those were merely designed to be non-scenicked hand-fiddled yards used primarily between sessions by yours truly for staging various through trains/etc. They were simply referred to as the "South Stage" (lower level) and "North Stage" (upper level).

Well, I learned that I had rather use an engine and switch out the cars instead of hand-fiddling. This gave me the opportunity to do some yard switching in between sessions. Well, that idea has grew to the point that I began to think in terms of placing backdrops and scenic the stages so they look like part of the layout and not sterile looking, bare Homasote covered "stage areas".

With this revision, the idea evolved further to the point that I now intend to use both Clarksville and Branson yards during a session. You see, with the above changes and the addition of small engine tracks at Clarksville/Branson, the "crew" coming on duty to take a train out of Clarksville or Branson, can now pick up the assigned power over at the engine service area, fire up their engines, check the Blue Cards and do any daily inspection (if required). Ready to roll, they can give a bell, toot a couple times, then ease out and get on their train. Once on the train they can pump some air (look over their manifest and running orders), then whistle off and head out! Mucho more fun than just leaving with a train waiting for them on a non-scenicked "stage yard".

I have all the needed switches on hand to make the above changes. However, creating sawdust will have to wait until after I host my annual vintage enduro tiddler bike ride coming up March 19-20.

OH... and about that desire for an 1880s layout... figured out a way to scratch that itch... but that's another story altogether.

All fer now!



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No update on the Kansas City & Gulf for a good four months now.  Hope there hasn't been a major derailment that shut down the railroad?

Item:  Like you, I'm following the latest hooray's since Menards released their Santa Fe "F3".  Although it appears closer to pass for an FP7 instead, let's face it, it's not intended to be a model for the rivet counters, but a Nice Price introduction in order to pull their extensive line of ever growing freight cars.  No biggie that the AT&SF never rostered any FP7, afterall, it can still be a stand alone locomotive as if Santa Fe had just purchased another carrier like when they grabbed The Orient and added some x-NYC steam power to their roster as well.

The point is, it looks like Menards has a winner up front that may just take the O gauge market by storm with an affordable Diesel that fit's everyone's hobby budget in these lean times.  It was long overdue, and just look, the future of toy trains appears to be now!


Hi Joe!

Well, I've been piddling along with my HO layout, but for about 2 months I was pursuing a V scale project (Frisco Line, ca 1889-1890s) and sharing it with some interested friends for their use, too.

I did make the proposed revision. Here's some pics...

The de-construction of the reverse loop corner completed:


The reconstruction commencing:


New plywood/Homasote in place:


Track work begun (re-connecting the mains):


Track work completed in the corner scenes:


The above revision accomplished a LOT:

* Eliminated the awkward eyesore the reverse loop accommodation resulted in.

* Increased yard capacity by over 30% at Ozarka, and about 25% at Mountain Springs.

* Gained a new industry track at Mountain Springs.

* Stretched the Ozarka town scene (lower bench, on the right) so it no longer looks as cramped and contrived.

* Ditto the Mountain Springs town view.

* Gained enough space that it allowed adding small service track areas at the stages. (The stages are now to become "Live" stages in that they will have scenery and backdrop scenes/etc.)

* Eliminated the contortions needed to reach some key (manual) switch throws as was the case with the deep scenes that resulted from the reverse loop "box" in that corner.

There will be a scenic divider between the town scenes and the stages. They are needed to help make the mental concept that the two scenes are separated by "miles" and not part of the same scene. I already have some cardboard mock ups in place and it appears the conceived scenic dividers idea  is going to do the trick.

While I was at it, I added another proposed revision: A new industry spur at Ozarka. I was originally going to make it a notable wood yard, but I was NOT too enthused about adding yet another wood product customer (there are several already). I felt I had enough wood product customers already to reinforce the Ozark idea. A long time RR friend of mine suggested a batch plant, so I would have an on-layout place for my growing fleet of short covered hoppers. I liked that idea, so I purchased a Kibri batch plant for use later.  (I also needed the footprint to determine the track location.)

Here's a pic of the new "Ozark Ready-Mix" plant area on the north end of Ozarka:


I'm now in the process of furthering some needed motive power projects and other fun stuff.

Thanks for jogging me about an update!

All fer now.



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Howdy fellow Frisco Fan!  Though I lean towards The Katy, I was raised just north of Dallas in Farmers Branch, TX.  The Katy, Frisco, and Cotton Belt all crossed in Carrollton at grade.  The X'ings were located just a cat's meow at the NW corner of the SSW depot.  The Frisco/SSW X'ing was right smake dab in the middle of Denton Road (!!!) until relocated just a dab to the west in the 70s when Denton Road was widened.

If I was to win the lottery here in the Fatherland I'd pay you to come remodel my basement room.  I love the wood paneling in your train room!

Despite the fact Ozarka Natural Spring Water has been located in Texas for years, it got it's start in Eureka Springs, Arkansas.  Why not consider a freelance water plant as an on line industry on the KC&G and ship the water across the USA in isulated box cars?  I think special KC&G "Ozarka" box cars would look pretty doggone cool!

Continued health issues have kept the wood panelling project on hold.  Therefore the Mineloa & Greenville Railroad is still a dream.  On paper, it's a onetime shortline that's gone regional, expanding from Greenville to Denison, with John Deere green and yellow motive power using the Katy's scheme with billboard M&G lettering on the Diesel power.  With so much vandelism in today's world, the M&G has retained the use of cabooses (Security Vans) with armed and dangerous security guards ready to protect the railroad and it's property, 24/7.

When I have completed selling off the bulk of railroad books, I'll start to purchase trains.  I have two dealers here in Europe.  Modellbahn Ritzer in Nuremberg, Germany and Trainmaster Models in Zürich, Switzerland.  Both stock US/Canadian model trains.  Both are international dealers and ship worldwide.

Time to hang the markers on this one.  Thanks for the KC&G update.  I'm just one of many who is interested in your HO pike and the progress yopu are making on it when your time permits.

Railroadingly yours,


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